Lintuk spouted:


Damn straight!

Aaaah.. a Republican.. I understand now..

cmontgom spouted:


Aaaah.. a Republican.. I understand now..

That was cheap.

It's just like one of you liberal America-haters
to bring up partisanship on a board thread devoted to
an American hero, Lance Armstrong.

As an American, can't you put your Democratic-Socialism
aside long enough to celebrate a tremendous athlete
and American hero?

wow you only mentioned america four times and at no point exclaimed "USA!, go USA! Number 1!!"

Got MAXIM? spouted:


That was cheap.

It's just like one of you liberal America-haters
to bring up partisanship on a board thread devoted to
an American hero, Lance Armstrong.

As an American, can't you put your Democratic-Socialism
aside long enough to celebrate a tremendous athlete
and American hero?

OMFG.. that's some excellent trolling! I guess a Democratic-Socialist is the lefty equivalent to a Republican-Nazi on the right? And "liberal America-haters?" Right (and I mean right, brother!) out of the Ann Coulter "No need to think about it phrasebook!"

Classic stuff!

And I, of course, as Double-Cheeseburger eatin', Navigator drivin', Flag-Wavin', Constitution-hatin', right-thinking, USA right or wrong, immigrant imprisonin'...

Well as a citizen of the United States of Ashcraft?

I certainly hope Lance wins, just to teach those cheese-eating surrender monkeys a lesson about collaboration!!

cmontgom spouted:


I guess a Democratic-Socialist is the lefty equivalent to a Republican-Nazi on the right? And "liberal America-haters?" Right (and I mean right, brother...

I can't hold back much longer.

That all above....was bollocks.

I was dipping the toe in.

I don't believe in what I wrote above.

I don't denouce it however, because it was necessary
to evoke the responses it did.

I'm quite pleased with the results actually.

Great restraint, all.

PS Democratic-Socialist refers exclusively to domesitc policy.
Whereas, Nationalist-Socialist would refer to the whole foreign-
domesitic governing polices of a given state.

PS2 "...equivalent to a Republican-Nazi..." Note that 'Nazi' is
a compound for Nationalist-Socialist.

All of the liberals who denouce the evils of Nationalist-
Socialism should reassess their standings. Socialism is more
than skirtted by modern liberals, but encouraged and
embraced. Quietly in some cirlces, belligerently and bellicosely
in others. It is mistaken for 'common' or 'popular'
sentiments -- that is where the misconception of it is, in
that modern socialism *appears* dependent on democracy
to vote itself more power; past a certain point, dependancy
shifts away into independence, and the socialists cycle,
shuffle, and re-stack, but never leave their offices. The
populist bases of labour/democratic, etc paties assure that,
along with the hard core socialists themselves.

As for nationalism. I don't really think I need to type this...
look at our country's actions in the world. We have a very
questionable logic to our actions. I guardedly, even, consider
it 'logic'...

Welfare is *quite* socialistic.
Warfare is *quite* nationalistic.

Welfare-Warfare governing, is by other definition:
is Nationalist-Socialism.

So you think our country's warfare is wrong?
You America hater, you...

So you think our country's welfare is wrong?
You nasty, evil, inconsiderate soul, you...

Here's the kicker:

Socialism may not prevade the spectrum somuchas does
Nationalism. Even many otherwise leftist people support
their county, right or wrong... to the end.

So that huge nationalistic element always influences the
governing socialist elites.

You can't dance around this one.

If you are a Socialist, and you are a Nationalist...
you are not a "new" group...with new ideas and ways
to fix society's and the world's ills....you are the
Nationalists-Socialists...the logical conclusion of all
gov'ts that are sufficiently democratic and multi-ethnic.

...and doomed to perish in the glamrous way only alloted
to those who follow this path righteously!

You invoke socialism to cure social ills of your own.
You invoke nationalism to cure social ills of the world.

If you learn't to mind your own business, and looked to solve
your own problems before worrying about "the poor" and
other such non-person-categorizations of people...perhaps
we'd all be richer, more gainfully employed, and more
respected internationally.

A nation, collectively, turns it's fury against one of two things.

a) It's own problems, individual at a time. Bettering
themselves, and in turn bettering those around them.

b) It's'self...by enacting society-wide EXTERNAL consequence
systems...it trys to DRAG itself to personal prosperity, in lieu
of allowing individual's personal motivation to do the same.
It, often, sensing the inherit flaw of this thinking, (do as I say...)
trys to force other's (nations) to adopt similar thinking.

A is a hands-off solution. It lets the chips fall where they may,
and lets individual motivation to better one'self (and thus
society as a whole) proceed (or not!) without disruption.

B is the Nationalist-Socialist solution. It assumes humans
are ants. Or at the very least, insects. Humans are merely a
"resource" that are to be shaped, modeled, and formed into
the necessary, decent, civilized beings they *should* be.
It assumes that, individually, motivation to better one's self
it none-existent, or...evil, and greedy. It punishes this in lieu
of a system of externally directed greediness and (?) self-
betterment. After all, we wouldn't be here today if we weren't
all PROVOKED to act in our own best interest, eh?

So it's no suprise the Nazi system of external-dicatation for-
your-own-good supports dicatation both inside (domestically)
and out (internationally). Dictatorship, and facism are the
pinnacles of a Nationalist-Socialist society... What is best for
you, how it's best for you, and how to get to it are the whim of a government head...

Personified: Stop smoking.

Who the fucking hell are you to tell me to stop smoking?!
It's my own business!

But you know it's bad for you.

So, it's my choice, isn't it.

Well, let's see. It is bad for you. You acknowledge it,
and yet you won't stop. You must be ADDICTED!
--You are thus incapable of properly judging what
is right for yourself! We must protect you from your
own excerise of free will! You would use it to ill end!

Tyranny is a subtle creep.

It descends gradually, and by the time it takes over
every facet of your life, it is too late.

Yah, smoking is awful. Fine.

It is not your body. Leave them alone.

Your good intentions might save their
life, but will rob them of free-will.

You really think a life lived in tyranny
and slavery of sorts is worth living?

This is the whole point.

We live life to LIVE it,
with all of it's twists and turns,
decisions that lead us to good
places, people and things, and
decisions that lead us to bad
places, people and things.

We cannot forbid the bad decisions
simply because they are such.

Freedom is not limited to the freedom
to be right, but is unfouned unless it
so too includes the freedom to be wrong.

We have a fundamental right, to be wrong.

I claim the right to be wrong!

I claim the right face the consequences of my folly!

To be miserable!

To suffer!

To be sick!

To die!

And strive all the while for the opposite.

But if you could win the game without trying,
it was never worth playing to begin with.

If life is a game, and you rig it...

how much fun is a game you've cheated on..?

Precisely.

It's sick, I know.

But this is the underlying truth.

If there is no potential to lose,
there is nothing to win.

Gambling isn't any fun with out it.

Neither is life.

If life was fair...then what?

I shudder to think...

You people who want to 'even out' things...
want to deprive life of meaning.

If there is absolutely no difference between
one and another...

what the hell sort of world is that anyway?

I know it's long, but...I needed to say that.

must....resist...reacting...to...the...bollocks... .
(don't push the shiny button stimpy)

Got MAXIM? spouted:
huge fucking post.

Too Long. Didn't Read.

loki spouted:
must....resist...reacting...to...the...bollocks... .
(don't push the shiny button stimpy) lol.
Brilliant.

i'm confused but what else is new?

he did the mash! the mooooonster mash!
he did the mash! it was a graveyard smash!
he did the mash! it caught on in a flash!
he did the mash!...no really he did, honest

Got MAXIM? maybe i would reply to your post if i didn't have such a short attention spa...Oooohh a birdy hehehehehehehe

dip shit you crack me up! i didn't read his post either but that might be because politics is such a BORING SUBJECT!!!

ever get the feeling you walked into the middle of two pit bulls getting ready to tear each others heads off?

ive get the feeling this thread started elsewhere, however, would like to know what started all this nationalism hating....so, off to search i go!!!

;)

Liontamer1212 spouted:


ive get the feeling this thread started elsewhere, however, would like to know what started all this nationalism hating....so, off to search i go!!!

;)

It was in the Lance Armstrong thread, bizarrely started by my hatred of those damn stiffback roadies

who do you hate lintuk?

Politics is quite boring, I agree.

Until it comes knocking on your door late at night, supposing
it knocks at all.

Oh well. Your right. Let's all just ignore politics as much as
we can get away with. Surely, in light of our ignorance, it
will fade away into obscurity. Out of sight, out of mind.

jessika24 spouted:
who do you hate lintuk?

Roadies. Stiffback lycra perverts, like this:

Got MAXIM? spouted:
Politics is quite boring, I agree.

Until it comes knocking on your door late at night, supposing
it knocks at all.

Oh well. Your right. Let's all just ignore politics as much as
we can get away with. Surely, in light of our ignorance, it
will fade away into obscurity. Out of sight, out of mind.

dude, like seriously, go outside and stuff
have some ice-cream maaaan

dip shit spouted:


dude, like seriously, go outside and stuff
have some ice-cream maaaan Yep, I agree with dip shit, you need to relax fella.
You're starting to sound preachy, and dare I say it, a little boring.
Although you are meant to be stating your point in a debate, you tend to sit on the fence an awfull lot hiding behind basic posts dressed up in confussion.

Have a beer, shoot up some heroin.

( The beer and heroin comment was not meant to be taken seriously. No long replys on the danger of drugs, physically socially or economically.
" Drugs are baaaaaaaaad " so they say. )

My frustrations with the civicly-disintrested are wrongfully
represented in that ...short, potent little post.

I don't mean to be so intense. It happens.

Me, preachy? lolololoolllll Yea. Probably.

Boring? In my sincerest desire to want to be anything but...
could it be my verbiage itself that is a interest-deterrent?
Ouch. Profound realization, methinks.

Tell you all what; You agree to buy my book once I get it
published, and I'll save spouting the contents, excerpts, etc
on here.

Oh -- the temptation is a bit too great... I must:

I don't drink. Out of choice, don't see much in it.
I don't heroin. Not because it's illegal, but because I also don't see much in it.

I agree that I *may* need to loosen up, a minuscule, tiny,
wee, bit. Just a slight bit. Chemicals aren't the answer to that
though, not as a real solution. Temporary band-aid at best.

PS, the danger of drugs is negligible to me in comparison to
danger and damaging effects of drug laws.

Cheers,
-MAXIM

Got MAXIM? spouted:
Profound realization, methinks.

You seem to have found some form of personnel truth, but you believe it to be the truth of the masses.

Despite the definition of the word " truth ", all our individual forms of truth are different.


Why is yours so profound???? ( excuse all my spelling )

Are you the Messiah??????

he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy.

:Grasps desperately back at the curtain...:

No!

I ...

I am ....!

Do not look at the man behind the curtain!

I am Oz!

(I'll let that parse for a bit before touching on it again)


I am the Messiah, but I'll be killed before anyone realises it.

It just seems to work that way =P

On the 'profound' usage:

Dictionary.com defines the word as such:

1.Situated at, extending to, or coming from a great depth; deep.
2.Coming as if from the depths of one's being: profound contempt.
3.Thoroughgoing; far-reaching: profound social changes.
4.Penetrating beyond what is superficial or obvious: a profound insight.
5.Unqualified; absolute: a profound silence.

I was cheifly using the 4th definition.

My truths are personal, yes.
But the knowledge of logical realtionships, insights into other
areas of the human condition are transcendent.

They may be applied elsewhere.

So they are, for a variety of reasons, and in a variety of
forms.

To pigeonhole my personal practises, beliefs, policies etc,
as exclusively such and having no practicability translatable
to the world around me is ridiculous.

Oh, one last thing (this is bound to help my case even more!)
They thought the Messiah was a naughty boy too...!

Anyone got a Crucifix?

"always look on the bright side of life..."