I know its happened.

It must be fucking awful for the parents.

I hope the cunt gets life and beaten half to death everyday

but....could the newspapers and television news PLEASE stop going on about it !!

Its fucking awful looking at a front cover of a newspaper with 2 torn football shirts and I am FED UP with the media circus looking at this from every fucking angle !!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FUCKING STOP!! REPORTING ON THIS TRAGEDY !

But they do have to report it, otherwise it wont be showing that justice is being done. From what i know the parents are there everyday anyway

You miss my point. I'm talking about the whole "media-overkill" thing they always do to any event. Its not going to bring those poor girls back by devoting half of their airtime to examining the case from every possible angle.

I know Im going to get some flak for this but i am sick to death of EVERY newspaper and television news programme focusing so intently on this.

Sure ,by all means have SOME coverage but as ever ,they go WAY over the top. Its sad enough that it happened without being CONSTANTLY reminded of it.. :-(

Can you believe Huntleys fucking excuse for all this. I was absolutley shocked when i read the paper.

He says that he accidently pushed one of the girls in the bath and whilst treating her for a nose bleed. Sho she died by falling in the bath then eh? The other girl then started screaming so he covered her mouth and accidently sufocated her.

What the fuck!!!!

I wish very bad and painful things upon that monster for the rest of his life. I just wish that he would come clean and admit it now, i really do feel for the parents and the sooner this is all over, the better. Then maybe they can start to mourn the loss of their children.

Nobody will ever know what really happened. I hope he meets a very long and painful death.
Being a father my self all I keep thinking is I would have to kill him if it was me.
I sort of know what your getting at tho report new news but most of the media coverage is months old by now.

Personally I think this story and all the details should be published, if only to show what scum paedophiles and child killers really are.

If they put him back in Wakefield Prison, which they probably will, I'll shout over the wall to the inmataes while they play footy "Kick the crap out of that cunt Huntley and I'll chuck over a box full of smack!"

Kormiic spouted:
"Kick the crap out of that cunt Huntley and I'll chuck over a box full of smack!"

want a donation to this otherwise misguided but good cause ? i would of course require that a guily verdict be returned, which of cause it will be - what this Maxin Carr (?) all seems to have gone quiet as to what is happening with her, maybe a stint a wakefield would do her no harm either as in helping him cover up his crime she is just as bad, if not worse.

Wayne-Carr spouted:
You miss my point. I'm talking about the whole "media-overkill" thing they always do to any event. Its not going to bring those poor girls back by devoting half of their airtime to examining the case from every possible angle.

I know Im going to get some flak for this but i am sick to death of EVERY newspaper and television news programme focusing so intently on this.

Sure ,by all means have SOME coverage but as ever ,they go WAY over the top. Its sad enough that it happened without being CONSTANTLY reminded of it.. :-(

I fully agree, the media does go over the top as on mosted things like this, next month it will be something else.

did you see this mornings paper that putrid bitch maxine says she's the new mayra hinley. the pair of them should be left in the custody of the parents of the girls to do with them as they wish.

Isn't Huntley educationally sub-nornal? I'm sure I read that somewhere at the begining of the hullabaloo.

If so, is that grounds for a reduction of sentance? Or sumt? Not that this is an excuse, the fucker is scum and I believe he should go down permamently.

Kormiic spouted:
If they put him back in Wakefield Prison, which they probably will, I'll shout over the wall to the inmataes while they play footy "Kick the crap out of that cunt Huntley and I'll chuck over a box full of smack!"

I agree with Kormiic. I'd love that to happen.

What are the chances of Huntley being put in the general population though. They guy is a fucking child killer and when convicted, he wont last 2 fucking minutes.

deedee spouted:
did you see this mornings paper that putrid bitch maxine says she's the new mayra hinley. the pair of them should be left in the custody of the parents of the girls to do with them as they wish.

Wasn't it that she was saying that people had been calling her Myra Hindley Mark II when she was in prison? Which made her cry in court, apparently.

I can't see Huntley getting anything other than a very long spell of bird at HM's porridge supplies and mailbag sewing lockup, (and then successive beatings by the other inmates.) he has effectively admitted murdering one of them anyway, even with the bolloxy fell in the bath (best I could think up in the way of a defence whilst in the hospital) excuse.

Question has to be "How long till he does a Fred West?"

UberMinx spouted:

Question has to be "How long till he does a Fred West?"

Not soon enough. should be done for him. He killed them he admits he killed them he should die.

unordinarychild spouted:
Can you believe Huntleys fucking excuse for all this. I was absolutley shocked when i read the paper.

He says that he accidently pushed one of the girls in the bath and whilst treating her for a nose bleed.

The comment after was class though

This has to go down as the first person ever to drown in the bath when 2 other people were present

If this wasnt such a frighteningly tragic event, the whole of this court case would make a great comedy sketch

How the Fuck do you "accidently" drown someone in the bath????

and then "accidently" suffocate someone?!?!

The mind boggles

plead insanity you stupid fucktard, any jury would give you that!!

I'd love people like this to be put in a room with the parents for an hour or so. Not big on lynch mobs myself, but this would be the best justice of all.

My mind is made up on Huntly. I'm still unsure about Carr though.

I don't think that Huntley really knows what happened at all. And i doubt that we will ever find out.

While I lived In Camberwell, I would hear reports of children going missing at a rate of maybe two or three a year. Often they would never be seen again or be found dead.

Where was the media outcry? Where was the sense of outrage. Why wasn't the media turning the British public into voyeurs of the worst kind for the duration of the trial, if there ever was one? Because these children were generally poor and black? Because they lived in an inner-city area and somehow were 'asking for it'?

I have not read a siongle word of reprtage on the Soham murders excpet what I have gleaned from headlines as I pass newspaper stalls on my way to work in the morning, but I know the following 'facts' about the case:

1) The defendants are called Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr;
2) The victims are called Holly Chapman and Jessica [Wallace?];
3) They were wearing Manchester United Shirts at the time of their disappearance;
4) these shirts were found in a ditch somewhere;
5) Maxine Carr initially stood by Ian Huntley, but then turned her head and started calling him a 'thing'. This may or may not have had something to do with a deal struck between her and the prosecution;
6) The defendants are conveyed from custody to court each day of the trial overland and in daylight. There is an underground tunnel that could be used, but isn't. Presumably because it would be difficult to make a show trial if they did that.

You whom have been reading these newspapers: why do you have such an appetite for the sexual assault and murder of children with your breakfast? Why don't you buy, say, a newspaper with some real news in it?

what tunnel? theres no tunnel there! bizzare.

as for the spate of incidents in camberwell are you sure your memory is that reliable? i remember the media frenzy surrounding the damilola taylor case.

You analyse things too much Dazzla.

In London a lot of kids go missing - from all races - yet in most cases they are just runaways. Yes there are those they go missing presumed abducted, and to be fair there are times when it does get reported on the local news and in newspapers (mainly the Evening Standard).

In the case of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, they were very young girls, they lived in a rural village, they disappeared together and the police had no doubts they were abducted. Due to their locality and the circumstances it was right that it made the main news and to get it reported in the media in an attempt to get witnesses to come forward that could help with police enquiries. What eventually unfolded was to be days of ceaseless searching which captivated, not just the country, but the world for two weeks. So the eventual court case will always receive huge media attention.

I can tell you now it is extremely rare for two people to get abducted at the same time. In fact I can't recall a case where it's happened (paedophiles and child killers usually lure their victims when they're alone). And I admit I've been following the case from the very beginning because I have a keen interest in criminology.

(And their shirts were discovered in a bin in a locked up garage which only Huntley had the key too. Not a ditch).

Hans Off spouted:
what tunnel? theres no tunnel there! bizzare.

as for the spate of incidents in camberwell are you sure your memory is that reliable? i remember the media frenzy surrounding the damilola taylor case.

That was Peckham, which is now becmong another white, middle class suburb, but point taken.

(And their shirts were discovered in a bin in a locked up garage which only Huntley had the key too. Not a ditch).

Again, I admit that you're in possession of more accurate facts than I am but my point is that these murders were reported in exlicit detail in almost every newspaper for every day of the trials. My question was: are British people so morbid and bloodthirsty or is it just a case of the media purveying terror?

Dazzla spouted:


That was Peckham, which is now becmong another white, middle class suburb, but point taken.

Again, I admit that you're in possession of more accurate facts than I am but my point is that these murders were reported in exlicit detail in almost every newspaper for every day of the trials. My question was: are British people so morbid and bloodthirsty or is it just a case of the media purveying terror?

Media attention in crime cases began as early as 1888 during Jack The Ripper's reign of terror. Ironically it was a newspaper that coined his infamous name. Since then the media have taken an interest in high profile murder court cases because we, the public, want to see justice done and seen to be done. The difference now is that we have more media surrounding us than in 1888 which makes it harder for the public to avoid. I don't believe it's necessarily the public's 'morbid' or 'bloodthirsty' fascination or that the majority of the media enjoy 'purveying terror'. But maybe some newspapers perhaps go a litrle far in their reporting, I don't The Sun or Mirror so I can't speak for them.

erm sorry but their shirts were found burned in a bin in the school "hangar".

huntley - guilty
carr - i think shes just maybe a bit dumb and got sucked into all this by huntley. thats down to the jury to decide. perhaps she's scared of him and went along with him for the sake of "getting along".

sorry one other thing i was going to add, a little known case years ago that breas the same hallmarks. the primary school i used to go to a girl from there went missing. she was found the next day in one of those big bins that schools have. caretaker was arrested (my mum spoke to him the afternoon she was missing whilst he was out repairing his car and he said he was "shocked and disgusted and would help look for the girl".

this caretaker was fabulous, all the kids loved him and whenever he was walking around there was always a shitload of kids linking arms with him. makes you wonder.

his excuse for killing her was that she was playing in the playground after school hours and he went to tell her to go away and she said she'd tell her [parents she had "touched her", he said he pushed her away and accidentally strangled her.

another story says a witness (who i was in the same class with, saw her and him skipping in the playground.

either way he was found guilty.

why im saying this i dont know but i tend to believe the witnesses version, who knows what happened after they stopped skipping.

i hope huntley burns in hell.

Yep it was a hanger my mistake.

Huntley should be found "Not Guilty", thereby not being a burden to the tax payer anymore, then his whereabouts made public knowledge on a daily basis. Wonder how long he would live? Of course, I'm sure "no one would have seen a thing".

DoodleBug spouted:
Huntley should be found "Not Guilty", thereby not being a burden to the tax payer anymore, then his whereabouts made public knowledge on a daily basis. Wonder how long he would live? Of course, I'm sure "no one would have seen a thing".

Ahhh...vigilantes...they'd make great pets if you taught them some social skills and trained them to walk upright.

I agree with the original poster. This tragic event has been massively overplayed by the media as usual. This is a cut and dried case, the culprits are as guilty as sin, everybody knows the case for the defence is laughable. The red top pap peddlers are indulging themselves once again in mindless voyeurism, it is extremely disrepectful to the families involved and extremely distasteful for everyone else.

Thank fuck they caught Hussein, maybe we'll see something else in the papers this week.

Thank fuck they caught Hussein, maybe we'll see something else in the papers this week.

Meanwhile, who's watching the rest of the world?

I always feel a little silly in conversations like this. I always feel really meek but I keep wanting to get involved anyway.

I completely agree that the level the media have delved into this case is frankly morbid and their trying to sell their papers through shock value and making people feel guilty is really disgusting. However, in defence of the readers, maybe a detailed knowledge of what happened could make these people more comfortable with the events even existing and isn't that a liberty we should freely grant these people, especially those with their own children.

By the way, I think the bloodthirst some people display in regards these topics is often disgusting and if not completely put on, often embellished. Anyone capable of doing stuff like this can not be imagined to be a regular person and as such cannot be blamed like a regular person. By all means seperate him or even kill him, if you so wish but to fantasise about grievous damage coming to him is a bit too similar to the thoughts of these people that we all hate than any of us should want to be.

On a personal note, I wish all the parents on the board piece of mind, especially Team Edna as you've always been nice to me and I know you have childers.

I believe he should go down permanently

I think he has, wannabe.

What concerns me is that the system should work better than it does. The school principal who hired this shit must be eating his heart out, poor bastard, even though he did everything he reasonably could.

The system is clearly all talk no action - Manta, sink your teeth into that, rather than a history lesson or self-incriminatory shit such as:

I can tell you now it is extremely rare for two people to get abducted at the same time.

You have the right to remain silent Manta ...

As I said on another board, I'm astonished that it got to majority verdicts of 11 - 1. Perhaps for Carr, maybe but one juror actually thought Huntley wasn't guilty. I find that disturbing.

1 juror not finding him guilty of murder may have found him guilty of manslaughter. not that im making excuses because that shocked us here too. i hope he meets his maker in prison; i.e. slipping on soap etc etc. oh dear major head injuries, oh dear dead.

A crazy person has taken a liking to Huntley's misses and left her a big house for when she is released...

This is so wrong

I think Maxine Carr deserves her spell in priz, but apart from her alarming stupidity I doubt she's a bad person. In a sense, she's one of Huntley's many victims, as it seems he abused all the girlfriends he ever had (who incidentally seem to have been very young or easily led), and I doubt she was an exception.

Huntley won't last two fucking minutes in prison. I dearly hope he gets his just reward......

As much as I would like to see him hang for what he did, Huntley is going to be locked up with people just like him.
And back to the original point of the thread the sun had a 24 page Ian Huntley special now that is media overkill.
One of the points it made was that he never paid his Tv licence once. News worthy or tabloid shite??

this whole humberside police "we couldnt hold and information on him dur to the data protection act" is a load of bollocks.

1. why, when his ugly mug was seen on tv did not one copper (as far as we know) call in to say they knew him because of previous allegations.

2. the data protection act came into for in the early 90s as far as i am aware, yet at work we hold records on all claimants going back on the imaging system as far as 1985, previous to that we still hole all record on micro-fische.

3. as far as i am aware the data protection act does not insist on files on somebody actually being destroyed, it merely gives that person their right in seeing what is held on them (we studyed this at college)

4. i know someone who works for MI5, not, obviously a big positiong but nonetheless they had their background and that of everyone they are related to/are friends with afine toothed comb. going back over years and years. records ARE kept.

5. your doctor has your medical records going back till the day you were born. or were all these destroyed after the DPA came into force? i dont think so.

6. i once worked for Group 4 Securoty as an admin in the 90s, they were able to look into my past and my familys past.

coverup anyone?

The data protection act came into being in pretty much it's present state in 1984, and I'm pretty sure it contains a clause that allows for information that concerns convictions AND unspent cautions to be revealed in certain circumstances. I think this is called 'Reports' in legal speak, and although the general public is not privvy to it, the person it concerns and certain employers and the legal bodies are. I'm totally gobsmacked that the info was never revealed, but perhaps the data act has been amended so that anyone can pretty much get away with anything and pretend to be whomsoever they want.

A cover up? I suspect so, yes.

i apologise i do believe 1984 is the correct year though im sure something was also introduced during 1992 ish.

that said how can doctors/housing benefits etc hold such info on peeple and not be told to delete such stuff, i dont know how far bacjk our micro-fische goes but im guessing years as people have been claiming HB for years.

as Sabaeus says, to reveal such information surely states that such information was held somewhere regardless of stuff being supposedly destroyed.

if something was destroyed then how the fuck do they know it was destriyed? that to me means there is a record held somewhere.

and what about these people (there a current case at coirt now) of someone who , although hanged but possibly having their name cleared in the high court (or some such case) at the monment, they still hold all the details of this case even though the crime was committed ages ago and well before the DPA.

I can only speak as far as Housing Benefits and council tax (booooo) goes as I used to be a senior assessor with my local council. There are several different levels at which data can be held. Local councils create their own lists as to who may or may not be violent in their local area, but they do have access to the sex offenders list though they have to write to the data controller to have it updated if a staff member is attacked, they can't just add to it willy-nilly. We weren't privvy to any convictions information and we weren't permitted to hold any information about them that was not relevent to their case. If memory serves there are seven different levels of information that can be held, and local government/social security is the lowest in priority.

1992 probably sticks out because there was huge revision of the original act that year, the same time that the local government finance act was changed, but it still left that many loopholes that it falls well short of being much use to anybody.

I really hope that something gets done about it this time to prevent this kind of cock up in future.

I think all these child-killers and rapists should be given a book on knots, a length of rope and a stool, and do the world a favour. These crimes will be committed as long as they perpetrators are unafraid of the punishment, when sentenced, they get looked after and segregated from the 'normal' criminals. Scientists should test Ebola on these fuckers. Then again, i think all lifers should be forced to donate their organs when needed to save someones life. That might make amends for their crimes. And all prison inmates should be blood donors, that would keep the drug problem contained through routine screening of everyone.

Yay Van Basten! I wholeheartedly agree.

Do away with animal testing ........ use lifers instead and lets find some cures to the real important stuff. If the guinea pigs live? Lucky them. If not, they got more of a chance than their victims!

Van Basten, the only ones who'd take it up are the genuinely remorseful ones. The grinning fuckers who don't care (Manson) or make shit up (Cuntley) will just grin and sponge away, or try and do in a warder or their bum-buddy.

Sabaeus I like your idea about product testing - hmmm ... wonder what Naomi Klein ("No Logo") would have to say about that

Not totally *up* on her, but she did say that she is open to any clause that improves upon,present doctrines.



Hmmmm ........ if someone findsa a really good clue to a cure for cancer ......... oooooh, specimin murdered 12 children ........... *lab* fuck that .... test the bastard ............. it works cool!!!!!!


Lab rat/Murderer lives/ so do millions of innocent people.



Once the cure is proved........... sorry .......... hang the fucker, lol

Come on Mr Cuntley, you have plenty of bedsheets. A nice air vent on the ceiling. Do a "Westie" and prevent us taxpayers from keeping you.

Prick.

SolCuerda spouted:
Come on Mr Cuntley, you have plenty of bedsheets. A nice air vent on the ceiling. Do a "Westie" and prevent us taxpayers from keeping you.

Prick.

I'd like to see him suffer for a few years worrying every day weather he will be beaten up or stabbed by other inmates before he gets the chance to top himself.

Sabaeus spouted:

Lab rat/Murderer lives/ so do millions of innocent people.

Once the cure is proved........... sorry .......... hang the fucker, lol

Always can use the organs for transplant, like the Chinese do. Anyone for Huntlys heart?

just saw ehe muderer news today
sort it now
like catching guys bints do crimes, although murder not ...

Do you not think the organs of sadistic, disgusting, inhuman, amoral, murdering pricks could have a bad influence on the recipient? Just a thought.

Also, do you not think that this topic is getting a little silly? "Blah, blah, I hope he's forced to eat and shit out glass and as a result dies of rectal seepage". Nobody likes the guy, the point's been made.

I see the cunt got 10 pages in the news of the world. from what i was forced to see, it's his sob story.

Who cares. The media obsession with that cunt has went too far, (back on topic)

I just worry about how many weirdos are studying this, and seeing the attention he gets. It happens.

I didn't buy the paper.

goo spouted:
Do you not think the organs of sadistic, disgusting, inhuman, amoral, murdering pricks could have a bad influence on the recipient? Just a thought.

Also, do you not think that this topic is getting a little silly? "Blah, blah, I hope he's forced to eat and shit out glass and as a result dies of rectal seepage". Nobody likes the guy, the point's been made.

They are organs, they dont influence your character, and some people are so desperate for an organ they literally have to take any chance they can get.

However, if you found out who's organs it was I dont know how that would effect you mentally.