Its shits and a waste of time.

I hate It I when go in my local shop to get a quick purcahse and then have to wait while people queue up for it and there is always some person whose buying about 5000 tickets and I have to watch as that stupid paper with the numbers on it is put through that slot what a crap system.

14,000,000 to one odds and people are so stipid that they think buying more than 1 ticket will make a diffrence.

Why not a use smart card system, handover your card, swipe, done simple.

And as for that crap show (that seems to change format all the time and it just gets shiter) were they read the numbers its got to be the worst crap the ever been on TV in fact its got to be the worst crap thats been electronicly transmitted anywhere in the fucking universe.

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GrumpyBoy spouted:
14,000,000 to one odds and people are so stipid that they think buying more than 1 ticket will make a diffrence.


well the odds will then be 1 in 7 million if they buy two

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Wrong since I don't play the lottery anyway I not talking about poeple who just buy one ticket get lucky.

hugo-a-gogo spouted:


well the odds will then be 1 in 7 million if they buy two

I do hope your joking

Someone's not going to become a statistician :D

The lottery doesn't seem too bad as a casual once-in-a-while thing, but bad elements are:

a) If you always use the same numbers. Wouldn't it suck if you missed it one week and your numbers came out?

b) Syndicates. The kind of thing you can't really get out of if they start. If you don't join, all your colleagues get a decent win once in a while and you get left out. Once you're in, you can practically guarantee a big win a week later if you decide to leave it. And if you're late paying your share and there's a win... ouch! The disputes you hear about...

As for the show, yuck. Horrible cheesey gameshow style crap with families that clap themselves like Supermarket Sweep. Oh yeah there's a reason for that, it's presented by that fake tanned tosser Dale Winton *squirms at the thought and scuttles off to the Mick Hucknall section*

[QUOTE]Cloudane spouted:
[B]Someone's not going to become a statistician :D

I suspect this is why some people buy loads of tickets


a) If you always use the same numbers. Wouldn't it suck if you missed it one week and your numbers came out?

This is why I don't get evolved in the first place its a kind of addiction I was told about a women on benefit with kids who spends a tenner a week on the shit.

The Government should not be promoting gambling the lottery should be banned and the program should be banned first because I hate it. And so such should Dale Winton cause he’s a lightweight sell out.

I suggested to a termial lottery-head a few weeks ago that they pick 1,2,3,4,5,6' as they had just as much change as any other of coming up. They refused to believe that this was true.

GrumpyBoy spouted:


I do hope your joking

no?
14,000,000 - 2
equals 7,000,000 - 1

14,000,000 - 3
equals 4,666,666 - 1

it's still more likely. you are better off buying all your tickets for the year for one draw

Dazzla spouted:
I suggested to a termial lottery-head a few weeks ago that they pick 1,2,3,4,5,6' as they had just as much change as any other of coming up. They refused to believe that this was true.

apparently loads of people do that every week and if it ever came up you'd be lucky to get more than a tenner (3 numbers are guaranteed a tenner)

hugo-a-gogo spouted:


well the odds will then be 1 in 7 million if they buy two

no it wont, it will be 2 in 14 million.

salsa spouted:


no it wont, it will be 2 in 14 million.

Which is the same odds as 1 in 7 million.........

i once got 4 numbers and won £180. when they started introducing other games i stopped playing as im not prepared to pay out a quid for each game on draw nights. it breaks my heart when i see OAPs paying out £20+ for both wednesday and saturday because the think if they miss it they'll loose out and their numbers will come out. why waste your money/pension?

It's been a few years since I did A-level statistics, and I've basically forgotten it... but I'm fairly confident that there's more to it than halving odds when you buy two lines!

Any practicing mathematicians out there?

[QUOTE]hugo-a-gogo spouted:
[B]


I don't know the maths really well but heres a simple example correct me I am wrong.

If I enter a raffle thats has a 100 tickets and I buy one ticket then I one chance of winnning and 999 chances of losing

If I buy two then I have 2 chances of winning and 998 of losing.

So increasing my total ticket numbers by a small pecentage of ticket total does not really increase my chances at all even in a shit raffle.

So with the lottery with roughly 14,000,000 posible number combinations with only one combination winning the jackpot I would have to buy 7,000,000 diffrent combinations to have a 50 pecent chance or 1 to 1 odds
so buying:.

14,000,00 = 100 %
7,000,000 = 50 %
3,500,00 = 25 %
1,750,000 = 12 %
875,000 = 6 %
437,500 = 3 %
218,750 = 1.5 %

Since since all number combinations have an equal outcome you need to figure out the probabilty of each number comming up

To work it out as percentage using probabilty
you add the chances of losing to the chances of wining

Then divide 1 by the answer multiply and 100 to give a percentage

To work it out as percentage using probabilty
you add the chances of losing to the chances of wining

So 13,999,999 (losing tickets) + 1 (wining ticket) = 14,000,000

Then divide 1 by the answer multiply and 100 to give percentage

so 1/14,000,000 is 0.000007142857142857140000000000
of a 1 percent chance which is so does not make sense
so buying 10, 100 or 1000 makes no real diffrence in terms of probablity.

The above maths nightmare is my post not hugo-a-gogo

the 'shit raffle' example 1000/2 = 500/1
1000/4 = 250/1
1000/8 = 125/1
1000/500 = 1/2
basic maths

so roughly 14,000,000 combinations you say
if i take two different ones that is a 14000000/2 chance = 7000000/1

1 ticket 14000000/1 = .0000000714286%
2 tickets 7000000/1 = .0000001428571%
it's still a tiny chance, but twice as big as with 1 ticket
10 tickets 1400000/1 =.000000714286%
100 tickets 140000/1 =.00000714286%
1,000,000 tickets 14/1 = 7.14286%
still rubbish
i don't disagree that the odds are rubbish, but they do increase the more you buy
that said, i don't play it

mm hugo is right thinking about it (it's us trying to read too much into it!)

If you buy 14 tickets, the odds go down to 1 million! But when you think about it, that's still very unlikely and would cost a fortune :D

What I probably would rather do, in reterospect, is play 4 lines once a month rather than 1 line every week.

zackly

This makes more sense to me

14,000,00 = 100 %
7,000,000 = 50 %
3,500,00 = 25 %
1,750,000 = 12 %
875,000 = 6 %
437,500 = 3 %
218,750 = 1.5 %

well thats the upper end of the scale, same rules apply. so now the pair of you get on your knees and suck my cock for suggesting i was wrong

Well I'm not sure if another guy sucking your cock exactly turns you on, but personally I'll pass at the opportunity :p

its a power thing, now quit chattin and start suckin

This is why I don't get evolved in the first place its a kind of addiction I was told about a women on benefit with kids who spends a tenner a week on the shit.


Are you saying that if you did get "evolved" you would spend more, but as you are a primative life form, single cell creature, you cannot reach the counter? :)


Just joking.

Personaly I am not interested in sucking your cock but I do have a gay friend he might be interested but you would have be up for a bit of bit anal action as well.

To use your figures.

10 tickets 1400000/1 =.000000714286%
100 tickets 140000/1 =.00000714286%

See it makes no diffrence how many tickets you buy its a waste of money.

are you taking the piss? any can see that one number is 10 times as big as the other

or do you just count like this:
lots, some, 2, 1, half, nearly none, 0

You really should try not get this presonally and get upset.

Yes I know one number is bigger the other but the numbers are small that it makes no difference to your chances of winning in real terms and certainly not enough to waste more than a pound.

Take these figures…

10 tickets 1400000/1 =.000000714286%
100 tickets 140000/1 =.00000714286%

The larger figure is not even a millionth of a whole number.

A bacteria is only .0004 of inch thats how small those figures are.

The difference is so small in “real world” odds would it only make a difference if you play the lottery over a very very long time.

And yet to lot of people the difference between ten pounds and hundred is a lot.

For 90 pounds your are getting an increase in odds thats is soooo small.

It’s a bit like one person trying to push a 100 ten ton rock one more person wont make any difference even though twice as much force is being applied in fact ten people wouldn’t.

Or when your flip a coin there’s is a small possibility that it may land on its edge but the chance is so small that having two goes or even a hundred makes no significant difference however if you were both very long lived and sad and play the game once very day as long it took, the one with a hundred goes would probably have it land on edge first but it would probably take ten or hundreds of years since its so difficult.

The way to view lottery is “I might well buy one ticket since the outlay is so small and its fun” but to spend more serious money like a person at the stock market is stupid, at the stockmartet the more you speculate the higher return for your money you get(in any) .

To do the same with the lottery is stupid because you get so little increase in real terms for your money, people should not view the lottery as a serious speculation but as a bit of fun, there are some very stupid people out there who are fucking poor and desperately spend quite large amounts of money (in relation to their small income) because they don't understand is makes no significant difference how much they spend this irritates me since if they really knew the maths then they probably would not bother and have higher standard of living as result.

GrumpyBoy spouted:
The larger figure is not even a millionth of a whole number.

obviously not, it's 1 divided by 1.4 million, remember?

to say, just because the numbers are small 'it makes no difference' is wrong

if you buy two tickets
it is twice as likely
as if you buy one
it is still a very remote chance, yes
but quantified in figures it is twice as likely

2 goes at something will always give you twice the chance of succeeding its obvious
you say i'm getting upset? you are either taking the piss, or being wilfully obtuse

You'ved missed my point and I can't be botherd to go over it again

cos you don't have a valid point, never mind

yes, it's still very unlikely that you'll win

Its must so sad to have win everything all the time.

Wel done son, gold star, heres a sweety good boy

Good Will Hunting has is correct.

I won £12 on a scratchcard yesterday. I hardly ever buy them, but yesterday, on a whim, I bought 3.

So, I'm up 9 pounds! Needless to say, I won't be buying 12 more scratch cards.