I was loitering around the town centre in Swansea at the weekend and inevitably there was one of these whacky preacher dudes banging on in incomprehensibe South Walian about Jesus Christ. One of his minions, a little old lady type, came up to me and thrust a leaflet in my hand. She asked me whether I had accepted Jesus into my heart. I owned up and admitted that I hadn't. On hearing this news she gave me a steely glare and told me that I would burn in hell for all eternity.
Is it just me or do these bully boy tactics seem a little unbecoming of the christian church? With PR like that, I'd imagine there'll be more than a few others joining me in my sizzling demise. Is it time for the Christian Church to accept that the populace is a little better educated now than in the dark ages and come up with a less childish argument for conversion? discuss

Yes, it is high time they realised that we are no longer going to believe that if we do anything bad, a lightening bolt will come forth from the sky and fry us big time.

I'm right now praying for the salvation of your soul Newrovski. If all other Dogbombers will join me in collective prayer, perhaps we can save you from an encunter with Cerberus at the gates of Hades.

Yes, it is. The mainstream churches are intellectually lazy and are suffering on every level as a result. That old bat has cancelled herself out morally speaking.

Quote "perhaps we can save you from an encunter with Cerberus at the gates of Hades."

Thought that was a Roman/Greek/Pagan belief??

My god Newrovski. Here you are condemned to the burning fires man and you're being fucking pedantic. Time's running out for you mate.

Guilty as Charged (I can smell singed flesh)

Indeed.

I myself am concerned about being roasted on the freezing fires of Asgard, ever overlooked by Santa Claus and his merry leprechauns.

Newvrowski: yeah, unfortunately too many people do fall for this shite, bur fear seems to be more powerful than hope.

"A lie will get around the world before the truth has got its boots on".

christians will burn in hell

whilst I am feasting and fighting in Valhalla

I dont beleive in the whole religon malarky.

It is one thing that my dad and I disagreed on. He was of the opinion that I should repent for my sins otherwise i would spend my days in limbo.

If people want to beleive all well and good, but I will not be participating.

i think the problem with the christian faith is that theyre still preaching from a book written a couple of millenia ago. meanwhile the rest of the world has modernized and moved on.

but dont worry.

if they find any evidence of life on mars the whole concept of the lord creating heavan and earth will be shot to pieces,

unless someone comes out and writes yet ANOTHER testimant to put it in universal context...

I love people like that. Your loony standing in the middle of the street ranting or the dor-to-door type.

I go out of my way to talk to them, just to tell them that I don't believe. The look on their faces is worth it.

One of his minions, a little old lady type, came up to me and thrust a leaflet in my hand. She asked me whether I had accepted Jesus into my heart. I owned up and admitted that I hadn't. On hearing this news she gave me a steely glare and told me that I would burn in hell for all eternity.


:haha::haha::haha: I cant believe ppl are still spouting this shit lol. When ->insert whatever religious zealot here<- come a knocking I open the door tell them to fuck off then close the door on their faces. Sad and def' over the top but seriously the days of inviting them inside for some tea and cookies is long gone.

Isaac my knees are starting to hurt.

haha

my brother and his mates just used to pretend they were gay whenever any people asked them to join a religion.

they would simply offer sex to the male team member and found that eventually they just stopped knocking...

I think that Christian fundamentalism will be remembered as the 20th centuries explanation for evolution and physics before Darwin and Copernicus came along.

Whilst respecting other peoples beliefs, I do so under the hope that they do the same. It seems comical in this day and age for anyone to promote one religion as the only answer to spiritual belief. Promoting it as solice or theological drug that creates a warm fuzzy ignorance is a bit more acceptable.

Newvroski, you should have told her that you won't burn on account of you being a horrific demon in human form who prowls the earth waiting for Christian canvassers to identify themselves

"you should have told her that you won't burn on account of you being a horrific demon in human form who prowls the earth waiting for Christian canvassers to identify themselves."

Dang, I just forget who I am sometimes

If it werent for religion, I think we would be a more advanced civilization.

Fundamentalism is the enemy, rainbo. Fundamentalist communists were pretty damn evil, regardless (or because?) of their atheism.

cor. You win a prize for getting a six syllable word into a sentence, that first one you wrote, I can't say it though. Seriously though religions here to stay. It's a deep human need to have hope for something better, and religion in all it's forms provides that. Only last light I was worshipping the most Holy Goddess Vagina.

embracing religion is cool
subscribing to an organised religion is lazy

If the whole world were religious and followed their own laws then there would be no problems, all religions prohibit murder. All religions promote tolerence. The fact that more people have been killed 'in the name' of my god makes me embarassed to be a christian sometimes. I also think this whoile issue of denominations is ridiculous, does it matter how you worship? Why stab people for interpretiung the same holy book in a slightly different way. Religion is just used as an excuse for people to be bastards to each other nowadays.

I think it's a mistake to thing religion exists independently of anything outside it.

Thing should be spelt think.

Interpretiung doesn't have a u in it.

I think moral guidance is very important when it is looked for, if it's looked for it's right that it should be found. There are (obviously?) important things to understand in order that a person doesn't bring themselves (and hopefully by extension of that other people) more suffering than is needed, but myself I think that the four noble truths of buddhism are the clearest to understand truths, and the first is that suffering is an absolute part of life, not that in the eyes of the creator everything I am is wrong and thanks to the creator I am forgiven, these two views seem on the surface very much opposed, in my life I have first tried to understand and am slowly accepting Zen as the means in my life to address the opposition as best one human can in my experience, hopefully through that their will be no views which cause me distress.

O_O w...t...f...??!!!! o_O

moxie im concerned about you eh. your stream of conscience is disturbing. Maybe I'm just jealous that you're able to exhale words with a panache similar to a coca cola induced belch.


Christian :cock:

No flaming remember. :p

moxie spouted:
No flaming remember. :p

damnit that means i have to apologise to you. arrrgghhh s...o...rr...y. *rushes to bathroom and washes mouth out with dettol*

I'm just drinking mango and apple here.

What's bleach taste like ? ;)

Joking...

Its tastes like bottled perdition.

im not sure if its healthy to put dettol on ur mouth...

i hesitate putting it onto my hands....

but yeah, i think that the idea of scrapping religion is good, but incredibly unfeasable. i cant spell.

for a start the pope would be out of a job (although he is almost dead anyway so it would be a good time for such a movement)

and people just need something to cling to outside of themselves, its a comfort thing, if u cant bitch to a person, bitch to god.

And its like my mum says. (ahaaaa)

its not like god (if there turns out to be one O_o) is gonna turn away good citizens just because we arnt openly christian, god is supposed to be forgiveness..

god is love... damn that song... ill be singing it all day :(

Come closer and see
See into the trees
Find the girl
While you can
Come closer and see
See into the dark
Just follow your eyes
Just follow your eyes

I hear her voice
Calling my name
The sound is deep
In the dark
I hear her voice
And start to run
Into the trees
Into the trees

Into the trees

Suddenly I stop
But I know it's too late
I'm lost in a forest
All alone
The girl was never there
It's always the same
I'm running towards nothing
Again and again and again

Newvrovski spouted:
Quote "perhaps we can save you from an encunter with Cerberus at the gates of Hades."

Thought that was a Roman/Greek/Pagan belief??

The Christian church comes from the Greek paganic beliefs. It's the same fucking story in all of them- with the central CHARACTER (i.e not a real person) as a dying and resurrecting god man born of a virgin who points out when people are doing shitty things and tells STORIES about how people can do things better. The first and only self help guide ever promoted by the Romans (i.e the Roman Church) who decided that people just wouldn't listen to it if they didn't have this God fellow as some kind of boogie man that would get them if they sinned.

we get them round this way praying (scuse the pun) on the vulnerables of the st helier estate, knocking on doors and asking if you have found religion.

my sister invites them in for a coffee and then rips them and their beliefs to shreds. i had one once tell me that my dad died because of my sins. to say the air turned blue would be an understatement.

i find letting cain (the dog) out to say hello to them gets rid of them.

alternatively keep a packet of gravel and stones by the door and re-enact the scene from the life of brian when they say Jehova.

I want to know when the bastards eat their Sunday dinners 'cos they always seem to be knocking on my door about then.

AnthillMob spouted:
we get them round this way praying (scuse the pun) on the vulnerables of the st helier estate, knocking on doors and asking if you have found religion.

my sister invites them in for a coffee and then rips them and their beliefs to shreds. i had one once tell me that my dad died because of my sins. to say the air turned blue would be an understatement.

i find letting cain (the dog) out to say hello to them gets rid of them.

alternatively keep a packet of gravel and stones by the door and re-enact the scene from the life of brian when they say Jehova.

are there any women here?

no, no, NO NO

moxie spouted:
Come closer and see
See into the trees
Find the girl
While you can
Come closer and see
See into the dark
Just follow your eyes
Just follow your eyes

I hear her voice
Calling my name
The sound is deep
In the dark
I hear her voice
And start to run
Into the trees
Into the trees

Into the trees

Suddenly I stop
But I know it's too late
I'm lost in a forest
All alone
The girl was never there
It's always the same
I'm running towards nothing
Again and again and again

Little Red Riding Hood

Theres some catholic guilt in the person having that reoccuring dream - must be the woodsman eh.

Here in America we are also overrun with religious zealots. It was especially difficult being rasied catholic in a small southern town in the baptist bible belt. As a child I remember our assistant pastor who was very ahead in his thinking and a little off base when it came to the teachings of the church (perhaps this explains why he left the priesthood and married). He compared the stories in the bible to Aesop's fables saying the intent of the writings was to teach man right from wrong and no more. I tend to agree and believe if we would respect each others human rights, we would all get along better. Guess that would be too simple.

shaeli spouted:
I tend to agree and believe if we would respect each others human rights, we would all get along better. Guess that would be too simple.

and in order to do this there is no need to religion, just human decency, which by all accounts is becoming scarse.

Money often being the root of all evil, should not be forgotten as people in their quest for furtherance of their material wealth should realise it does nothing for the soul.

But the acts which have been commited in the past "in the name of the father, allah" etc have all been the down to an induviduals interpretation being propogated to the masses, who call/consider themselves to be relgious (think people, the basic difference between what is right and wrong is not that hard)

Today we have the Ji'had or Holy War against the west (Holy war ?? - leave that to the crusades) the troubles in Palestine and it all just continues to escalate ..

To me, it seems that religion has a lot to be blamed for.

Doh.

Jihad is an Islamic concept for struggle against evil. It has been hijacked by extremists, as you say.

Dragging the poor Palestinians in in the same sentence is hardly fair since they, the Muslim inhabitants of the land have been expelled forcibly by the Christians and the um whatever Zionist believe in.

felt compelled to impose uneccesary intellectual rigour.

[/heathenness]

Yes that is rather naught of me to group them all togehter like that, so i will try again :D.

Forget holy war and replace it instead with the notion of it being a war of fundamentalists against any faith (you wish to consider). People who are able to exist at peace which preserving a basic standard of human rights freedoms and liberties ?

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getting ove the need for religon is the first step humans need to make in order to evolve. were stuck in a rut, falling backward. human morals are all that are really needed to move foreward happily.

there will always be murder, because there will always be people who dont care. there will always be starvation because theres too many people. The christian church say FUCK NO to birth control, causing poor familys to create too many unfed mouths, that in turn causes the need for crime as a way to make a living.


all religion stemms back from paganistic beliefs, most of which was only used as explination for things they could not understand.

so if that was correct, religion was started by people who were confused, and didn't have an idea what they were doing.

so if that was correct, religion was started by people who were confused, and didn't have an idea what they were doing.

And is run by the very same people.

Catch 52 spouted:
"there will always be starvation because theres too many people."

Not true. I was once told, if everyone in the world was vegetarian, you could feed the world from a farm the size of the Ukraine.

The problem is with the distribution of food not the number of people, the US and EU produce and eat far too much and don't help other nations adequately, they'd rather see food rot than give away what they can't use

Slightly off thread I know but its my thread.

I would like to add my gross generalisation of religion to this thread. Religion started off the same way this site started. In a way dogbomb is like Prince Siddhartha and we are the aliens with the three eyes in Toy Story.

I think religion is, first and foremost, a congregation of people, not unlike us here at dogbomb; gathering to bitch about how uncouth so-and-so is, or an excuse for the young at heart to show off skating, breakdancing, singing, acrobatics, feats of strength - in fact anything that makes one wonder "wot the fuck is all this shit?" - at those feel-good rallies that are quite popular. note to self hurl more abuse at Cliff Richard here (http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3717&perpage=15&display=&pagenumber=29).

Who needs drugs when one is infused with the spirit. And quite frankly thats how I perceive a few of my 'born again' - [tangent]actually this concept really winds me up to the point that I'd gladly give a bornagain my definition of that term by shoving them up their own arses so that when they fart they can experience being 'born again' and again[tangent] - christian mates; drugged up on spiritual endorphins and looking all fresh faced like a wannabe-virgin. FUCK off you wankers and take the trollop that keeps coming out of your gobs I tell em. Bunch of twats that live life in a fantasy land full of spiritual-endorphin junkies.

Ive noticed with a lot of solo mums in their late twenties all the way to their 40s. They break up with their man and then find god. Pfff such bs.

One of the aliens to Buzz and Woody:
Nirvana is coming, the mystic portal awaits.

By giving food to the poorer nations, their food producers would not earn a decent living because of the availabilty of quality foodstuffs from Europe and the United Stats. People would get their food from them, and not local producers. Thats what my economics teacher told me anyways.

Better to earn a pittance and die of hunger than to eat properly????

I'm not advocating flooding the 3rd world market with cheap foodstuffs I'm just suggesting that the richer nations provide help where its needed. Interesting dilemma though

Its the whole "give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day" thing. Back to Christians, they can be so judgemental, yet i swear theres a line about not judging in their bible.

Give a man a fish and he might have the strength to use the fishing rod in days to come. One things sure, fishing rods aren't too nutricious.

or just adopt the US policy on food aid and not only cut third world debt but add oh by the way you will find that some of the grain we are supplying you has been genetically modified.

Futhermore health programmes introduced under the guise of "and we are going to monitor your health, but only because we care"

So we should be kind to all of those less fortunate than ourselves and choose to live a meagre exsistence so that we can help someone elses life be just that better. Sorry to sound harsh but

Religion sucks, it sucks badly.

I don't think that giving those who are starving the food they need is going to make, you, me or anyone live a meagre existance. The point is we've got too much and they haven't got enough. We should be kind becouse its cool to be kind

jesus was nothing more than a magician (if he did exist) and the bbile forgets to tell us that the two fishes were actually whales (i know whales are mammals) and after eating a large slice of whale a mere breadcrumb from one of the five loaves was enough to fill the 5000 up.

water into wine? food colouring.

Surely we should be worshipping david blane???

Either that or nailing him to a cross!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3462323.stm

What do you make of this dogbombers?

They should throw her in the water. If she floats, they should burn her.

rammsteinrainbo spouted:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3462323.stm

What do you make of this dogbombers?

the school board will all go to hell imo.

Stupid stupid stupid. The way the Yanks practice religion is like the way an iundividual takes alcohol. If you do it in moderation it's OK, but they take it so strong it can't do anything but fuck you up. Did I mention that this was stupid?

Dazzla spouted:
They should throw her in the water. If she floats, they should burn her.

Bring back the Salem Witchtrials is what I say...

i hear you man. that's why i stopped going to mass and went non-denominational. christians, yeah, i happen to be one, but even i won't put up with them being pushy little twats.