Snuff films...

The depiction of the killing of a human being -- a human sacrifice (without the aid of special effects or other trickery) perpetuated for the medium of film and circulated amongst a jaded few for the purpose of entertainment / pornography

You can find all sorts of everything on the internet, usually it is not what you are looking for which shocks you the most when it pops up on your screen ...

When in my first year of uni and just finding out how quick our network and web access was i used to download stacks of music, stupid videos and the likes. On one such occassion i ended up with what turned out to be a snuff film in which a woman was forced to play russian roulette the outcome being she got shot in the head.

Now i saw this the same time as 3 mates and we were all so shocked at what we were seeing that we could not stop watching, it was only until the realisation of what was then going to ... oh dear too late. This really really really distubed me - and it was quite a while until i was able to forget what i had seen.

[after very very carefull review and some sloooooow play back, it can be seen that the blood splatter does not originate from the head - conclusion, it was not real]

Now having had a look at snopes it all to quickly dismisses this as being a tale with no substance to it .. I do not believe this to be the case. With enough money you can buy anything, in light of the german cannibal "oph please eat me, its my fantasty" i think it is more than likey to exist at some very depraved sick and twiested level someone has enjoyed watching it.

Have you ever seen anything like this that has sickened you ? Is this too much ? we have police forces around the world cracking down on child pedaphiles rings, this to me seems to be just as bad. The internet is developing at such a rapid rate there are those who would take our freedom to privacy all in the name of a global "law" or similar, and those who would seek to regulate

What are you opions on this ?

It amuses me as to what results you get up with google sometimes, i have had an offer from ebay oince to bid on weapons of mass destruction (:haha:)

I remember overhearing a conversation as a kid between an older brother and one of his friends about a tape someone had where apparently some girl gets her lips nailed to a table and is raped, then her throat is cut. The idea of it gave me nightmares, I was only about 7 or 8 at the time.

If there's ever a demand for it, I suppose people will do it. There are places in the world where life is cheap, and if someone will buy it, someone will make it and sell it.

Saw 'Faces of Death'as a teen and that left me feeling a bit empty afterwards. Lots of unbelievably sick stuff for sale in Amsterdam, just a question of knowing where to look.

Kormiic spouted:
I If there's ever a demand for it, I suppose people will do it. There are places in the world where life is cheap, and if someone will buy it, someone will make it and sell it.

Indeed, & its a sad inictment of us as a species. Well said sir.

Personally, I've never seen a snuf movie, & dont suppose even morbid curiosity could bring induce me to watch one. Even armed with the foreknowledge that many of them are faked, I still just find the concept abhorent.

Yes, I know, we all watch movies & TV containing scenes were ppl are killed, often without so much as a blink, but its different when you know what you are watching merely forms part of a narrative in a piece of entertainment fiction.

Thats a pretty far cry, in my book,from something specifically crafted for the entertainment of sick fuckers who get their jollies watching the real torture & murder of human beings.

anyone seen a film called mute witness which is based around a dumb girl witnessing the making of a snuff film? good film.

theres a book called out ar the lights by richard laymon which is excellent and is about someone making snuff films.

I haven't read these books I'm afraid and havent seen any snuffs. Although I'd guess theres not alot of difference between a snuff distributer and tv bosses that show repeats of the planes hitting the wtc on 911. How must the victims relatives feel every time its shown ? Everyone must have seen it at least 100 times but its snuff all the same, appealing to peoples morbid curiosity like Digital Dogcow said. When you pass an accident on the motorway how many people look straight on ? Sorry to go off topic.

Please don't quote the entire reply, if it's the previous one, thanks

OK, what you've posted above is so stupid.

There are huge differences, and they are so obvious that I can't be arsed to point them out.

( Terrorist attacks, motorway accidents, and then you have " snuff " people being murdered for the sake of a film and the people who'd buy it.

Sausages, get real. hahahahahahahaha

sausages does have a point about the motorway accident though, most of us can't resist a glance at the gore.

But we pass such accidents by chance, we don't set out to find them. With " snuff ", you have to purchase it and choose to watch it.

fair enough daidavies but the terrorists made the snuff and we are all buying it. People dont complain to to the bbc after watching the spectacle but take a holier than thou attitude when it comes to snuff

Hmmmmm . Don't think 9/11 was incurred by the perpetrators thinking it would turn us on.......... News coverage of 9/11 was of world and human interest. Snuff is for individuals who find that horny. Nuff said.

I always thought a snuff film was about people getting killed ?

sausages spouted:
I always thought a snuff film was about people getting killed ?

Nope, not quite that straightforward. A snuf movie is a film made specifically for the gratification of people who want to witness a real murder. The victim is generally brutalized & tortured before being killed & the sole motive for the killing is to record it & sell copies of the recording.

You could hardly say the terrorists smacked two commercial airliners into the WTC because they wanted to sell tapes of it.

I see now, films of people landing on the wtc plaza aren't snuff movies and don't abound on the internet.

Said footage has been placed on the net for voyeuristic purposes yes.

Where those ppl killed with the specific intention of giving the ppl with the camera's footage they could exploit in that manner?, clearly not.

Therefore by any reasonable definition its not snuff.

people have a morbid fascination with seeing images of violent death. the WTC explosions were shown over and over again, past the point were it was just factual reporting.
it's one end of the scale, the opposite end from a 'murder for a movie'

lots of people watched those clips, watched the pics of people jumping out of the buildings, everyone knows what happened, but still the clips is shown.
morbid curiosity, just less extreme than a 'real' snuff film

you start by seeing some film of car accidents etc
you then see some film of live shootings, riots etc
then maybe the Budd Dwyer suicide or something
whats the next buzz?

i found the movie ted bundy really disturbing, if thats relevant

i've never seen a snuff movie wasn't really aware of them, and from what i've just read i shudder at the thought...although i do admit to having a morbid curiosity like looking at car accidents and such...i don't know:/

you look at car accidents etc. because you need to understand the depth of how bad they are, i think. It's like any extreme life experience- you don't have to be a sick person, or have an attraction for these things.

Last week I was reading about some of the events that transpired during the conflict in the Former Republic of Yugoslavia that really made me feel quite sick. There is a part of me that wants to tell you what it was ( as it is human desire to share psychological burden) but then as a rule I try not to share the stuff that really sickens me. It's a bit like putting your hand over your mouth when you sneeze. Just 'cos you've got a cold (seen/read something shocking) doesn't mean you have to pass it around. Plus, talking about/seeing etc shocking stuff on a regular basis has the effect of trivialising it. Which, I think is a bad thing.

i buy a music mag called 'terrorizer' and a few months back they had a series on 'japanese horror films' and part of that was seriously sick japanese films. can't remember the names of the films but one of them was a short film about a scientist who found a mermaid. he took her back to his place tied her up and systematically started to abuse her and cut bits off her for 'scientific perpuses'. another one had an opening sequence where about 30 japanese school kids all jumped off a train platform and got killed by a train running them over. apparently it was just blood every where. i have to stress though i wouldn't be into this sort of stuff.

the basic japanese horror films like 'baby cart' and 'ju on' and 'a tale of two sisters' (i think this once korean actually, in fact ju on might be too)

The point is that the people in Snuff films are killed for no purpouse other than the movie. When a terrorist kills someone it is for other reasons be they social or political, either way, the main aim of the terrorist is to publicise their cause, not cause publicity.

Snuff films are absolutely horrible. There is a black market for them. A lot of them are created by people who are satanists and use it to create energy in the victims which they feed off of. Fear creates a substance in the body which produces a chemical that they can take as a drug. Terrible. I would never watch one in my life.

Snuff films have no comparison whatsoever to 9/11.
They're thousand of times worse.

Has anyone ever seen the file 8mm with Nic Cage; the one where he's tracking down the makers of snuff films?

Don't bother. It's shit.

For the record, I find snuff films somewhat distasteful also.

The film Cannibal Holocaust contains a short sequence titled 'The Last Road To Hell' which consists of genuine footage of people getting shot dead FOR REAL and corpses being stockpiled. Bit 'off' to use this kind of footage in a fictional story (and for the characters to then tell us it was all play-acting), but by God it makes for a powerful movie.
Apparently the director bought this footage from an English company too!

I remember seeing Tommy Cooper dying on television when I was about ten. Shocked the shit out of me...

Apparently, so the rumors go, a snuff film was made in my home town, in fact on the estate where I went to primary school, however I have not checked this out and someone may have been telling me a load of shit....

I saw an Italian film about the aftermath of the war. It was a fictional story but filmed at the time when Mussolini supporters were being lynched. It ends with actual footage of actual fascists shot by firing squads, heads exploding in a very messy non-Hollywood way. You could tell this were single-take footage.

There was a film called The Battle of the Somme released during World War I which featured cavalry (yes, with actual horses) hit by an artillery shell. Again, the writhing is all too real and the dead lay awkwardly. The film wasn't censored because films were so new that authorities didn't realise its power. That footage of soldiers will shellshock is also horrible.

Of course these aren't snuff films because they were made by government.

World Of Weird spouted:

I remember seeing Tommy Cooper dying on television when I was about ten. Shocked the shit out of me...

I remember seeing Tommy Cooper dying (was it on something like "Sunday Night at th Paladium"?) One thing I'll always remember is a sizeable portion of the audience pissing themselves because they thought it was part of the act.

Snuff films? Ain't seen any.

I once read somewhere that the problem with snuff was the difficulty in finding a long term relationship...

???

Don't old people put snuff up their noses