i was in the post office earlier and thought the woman infront looked familiar. then she got out a benefit books and i could see who it belonged to and it was the people who used to live here.

so the guy who used to live here is claiming some kind of benefit that paid out £169. thats probably incapacity benefit. anyway the thing is i know for a fact that he has his own limosuine business that he runs from home (i know this because the wanker still had his address registered here until i got the old bill to go and have a friendly chat with him as he was harrassing me knocking on my door asking if there ws any of his post. nasty piece of work this bloke. he used to try and get into my house too when he came round).

so do i grass or not?

No.

The DSS are quite busy enough without members of the public troubling them further. Besides, if he ever finds out that it was you, he'll probably have you dealt with.

Mind your own business and let others mind theirs. Besides, yer daaaaarnt gwaaaas. I mean, don't you watch Eastenders?

:P

One of a hundred thousand spongers spongers. GRassing won't make any great difference to the big picture, and it'll just earn you an assload of hassle.

I wouldn't think twice about telling the DSS. Fuck him.

can't you claim incapacity even if your working?

if you have an illness that stops you from doing day to day stuff but you can still run a business from home then i thought you could still claim. it is after all your right.

now if he was seen tap dancing at the local gay bar then that would be something different.

i'm probably wrong though.

you know damn well you can claim it

grass him up and the problem becomes his, not yours

Were this some single parent struggleng to make ends meet, I'd probably be inclined to turn a blind eye.

Since its an obnoxious cunt pulling a fast one, I'd say bubble the bastard.

Just wait a month or so, so there's no chance of him associating it with you being there.

call the National Fraud Benefit Hotline on 0800 854 440 (between 7am and 11pm, 7 days a week)

"All information will be dealt with in the strictest confidence and anyone providing information can, if they wish, remain anonymous."

his wife didnt regocnise me and i would, if i do grass, do it through what the big cheese of fraud at work tells me.

like dogcow said, some single mum trying to make ends meet i would probvably turn a blind eye but some cunt whos raking it in and was using my house (his old one) to register his business at and ive had no end of bailiffs coming round looking for him, and hassle from him for a year after i moved here, then sorry but im inclined to grass.

he'd never know it was me anyway.

Sometimes the word "Grass" can be a bit emotive.

Think of it as reporting some bastard who's got his hand in your pocket. As long as we keep supplying him with money he'll keep taking it, money which could go to hospitals, schools, OAPs instead of idle shits like this.
I am a very mild-mannered liberal-minded chap but I would happily line these robbing bastards up and shoot them. God bless you all.

just make sure he doesn't use this site :)

If you can get rid of the bailiffs, and if you can avoid having it come down on you (ring that hotline and give the name of the business that the guy is running), do it.

Never ever let a bailiff inside your house without a court order. If they've been inside, they're allowed to break in and take your stuff if you're out. See a solicitor (maybe Citizens Advice can help), and get these bastards off you're back, cause they will keep bothering you if you don't.

AnthillMob spouted:
i was in the post office earlier and thought the woman infront looked familiar. then she got out a benefit books and i could see who it belonged to and it was the people who used to live here.

so the guy who used to live here is claiming some kind of benefit that paid out £169. thats probably incapacity benefit. anyway the thing is i know for a fact that he has his own limosuine business that he runs from home (i know this because the wanker still had his address registered here until i got the old bill to go and have a friendly chat with him as he was harrassing me knocking on my door asking if there ws any of his post. nasty piece of work this bloke. he used to try and get into my house too when he came round).

so do i grass or not?

You can still claim disability and be working, so its probably all legit.

If you think he is fleecing the system though go and report it because at the end of the day if we all did that then the drain on the system wouldnt be so much and the true cases of need would get more.

I don't care if he's entitled to it or not, it sure as hell sounds like he doesn't need it. My wee mum is 67 and felt bad about getting a grant from the Scottish Executive to get new heating put in to replace the 25 year old system that she had, yet scum like him will milk every penny out of the system that they can. Makes me sick.

There should be no question. Don't grass.
Grasses are a different species

neildeal spouted:
There should be no question. Don't grass.
Grasses are a different species

no doubt you'll be defending Maxine Carr and campaigning for her release then

you can claim disability living allowance (which is what i get) and work but you cant claim incapacity benefit.

What about grassing on dope and cigarette dealers? Im sure they are a community service.

what's difference between disablity and incapacity benefits?

i would repeat what i said before, as long as he is not lying about what he's claiming for he can earn as well as claim.

incapacity benefit you claim when you cant work due to your illness or disability.

disability benefit is paid even when you work as a sort of premium (to help you out with medical costs etc)

yes - fraud is fraud. there is no question about it.

I would report it. Seems dodgy to me.

If it turns out he's allowed to do it, they won't do anything, so you've nothing to lose.

neildeal spouted:
There should be no question. Don't grass.
Grasses are a different species

so if you found out someone you knew had robbed an elderly person you wouldn't call the cops? I find that hard to believe.

and to get back on topic, in a perfect world you should blow the whistle on him, but it might not be advisable to do so if it would get you into any trouble

doing the right thing isn't worth bricks through your windows

i was on the train platform and a dodggy gent was "ripping a tube into a hollowed out cigar'
i am in uniform and the wha you call 'em o' yeah 'blunt guy see's me'
no problem i was prob/actually urinating at the end of the platform,
so,
train comes we all board, and it is held for the coppers...
seems the guy in the next seat to the load rapper tube ripper got a hit first
i didn't consider turning him in.
the guy got arrested, next to the guy that was gang banging loudly and rippin tube

so
i go to my bus assignment today, and i walk up to it,
mother fucking rear bumper is bent 3 inches in from a reversing accident
bus reared up on wall, not sure if the end bumper will fall off on my trip
guys
let it slide ,
trust smee.

nope i wouldnt grass on him

No not me either.

more benifits cash goes unclaimed every year then is fiddled...who grasses on the dss when they dont tell people what they are entitled to ?

im not on benefits but i wouldnt grass anyone up..

why should i when the goverment waste my tax on bombs that they then drop on women and kids in iraq

Damn straight, marleyb.

Don't tell the fuckers anything.

hugo-a-gogo spouted:


no doubt you'll be defending Maxine Carr and campaigning for her release then

I wouldn't campaign for her release, but I can't honestly say I blame her for what she did. I still don't think she knew what he was up to.

And if she was in any doubt, well, who would you side with - family and loved ones or the state? She made a bad decision, and could have honestly believed that Carr was being fitted up (after all, the police had already tried it with someone else) but unlike most of us who make bad decisions, she went to a life in prison that will be a living hell for her.

I don't quite see the argument that, because a lot of benefit goes unclaimed, any lowlife that lies through his arse should have a portion of it.

Yes, more should be done to pay out the money that's rightfully due. I'd still grass up any fucker claiming fraudulently. I have in the past and I will in the future. And I'll do it with a clear conscience.

Turst no-one!

There is no such thing as community!

We won't pay you because we know you'll do it out of spite, vindictiveness and malice!

You are our unpaid spies!

Thatcher really did win in the end, didn't she?

Maybe AnthillMob should blackmail him...?

I don't quite get the bit about "no such as community" and Thatcher (wasn't her original quote "there's no thing as society", to be pedantic). My own personal experience of telling on someone claiming fraudulently is this:

There was a guy who used to live below me that was a grade A cunt. He'd never done a day's work in his life and had no intentions of ever doing so. He spent half his day pissed and the other half buying and selling drugs to anyone that would pay him. All this was in between keeping the street up at all hours. Oh and he sold a fucking death trap of a car to a young woman with a small child then refused to give her her money back when it fell to pieces.

So this human dross moves a couple of streets away and starts claiming at this address as well as the original, while getting his mate who stayed at the original place to forward his housing benefit, etc.

Bollocks to that. I told the benefits agency. His benefit was was stopped and he was charged - again. Shortly after he fucked off and we've never seen him again.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, I've done my bit for the community as we've got rid of a sponging bastard. Everyone's happier now he's gone. Hopefully he's dead.

Trust me, I'll help anyone, but not cunts like this that just take the piss.

Are you campaigning similarly against the billions of pounds of state aid handed out for free to:

Railtrack/Network Rail and Virgin (via the 'Strategic' Rail Authority)
Capita
Siemens
Sainsbury's
British Telecom
RBS;
Orange

Etc, etc.

The 'scams' of these 'cunts that take the piss' are remarkably similar:

"Give us tax breaks and/or subsidies," they cry, "or we will locate to somewhere ith better tax breaks and shed all our UK staff."

Invariably, the British government comply.

Invariably, the company gives the money to its shareholders and fucks off somewhere where 'labour costs are lower' (meaning, of course, a poorer country).

So, where's your rage against benefit fraud now? Or are you only concerned witht he small crimes? Do you only 'grass up' poor criminals?

I've done plenty of campaigning against most of the above, thanks. I don't need any lessons.

Are you really saying that because big businesses are cunts that you should let fucking scum - because that's all this twat was - defraud the system.

Wee Dougie spouted:
I've done plenty of campaigning against most of the above, thanks. I don't need any lessons.

Are you really saying that because big businesses are cunts that you should let fucking scum - because that's all this twat was - defraud the system.

Nope.

I'm saying that to save the taxpayers' money more effectively, you probably ought to be concentrating on the people pocketing billions rather than the people pocketing thousands.

I've long suspected that this 'Stop the scrounging doley pikey scum!' screeching is more to do with good old-fashioned middle-England vindictive snobbery. This would seem to support that

Dazzla spouted:


I'm saying that to save the taxpayers' money more effectively, you probably ought to be concentrating on the people pocketing billions rather than the people pocketing thousands.

Well, you raise any petition you want to get it stopped. I'll gladly sign it. You organise any kind of protest you like. I'll willingly support it. You give me any evidence of companies or people owning companies breaking the law and I'll be more than happy to pass it on.

I've been doing this stuff for decades. No problem.

I've long suspected that this 'Stop the scrounging doley pikey scum!' screeching is more to do with good old-fashioned middle-England vindictive snobbery. This would seem to support that

Well, I thought I'd had my best laugh on dogbomb ever last week when some silly little girl said that I secretly wanted to shag Declan Donnelly. I was obviously wrong. "Middle-England snobbery"? Absolutely brilliant!

Well, I thought I'd had my best laugh on dogbomb ever last week when some silly little girl said that I secretly wanted to shag Declan Donnelly. I was obviously wrong. "Middle-England snobbery"? Absolutely brilliant!

So you think that because you are Scottish you are excused from allegations of snobbery? The vindictiveness you are exhibiting is typical of that by which some Scottish people typically characterise the English. The English don't have the monopoly on blind, hateful stupidity.

Well, you raise any petition you want to get it stopped. I'll gladly sign it. You organise any kind of protest you like. I'll willingly support it. You give me any evidence of companies or people owning companies breaking the law and I'll be more than happy to pass it on.

Petitions solve nothing. What you have to do is break things.

Dazzla spouted:


So you think that because you are Scottish you are excused from allegations of snobbery? The English don't have the monopoly on blind, hateful stupidity.


They certainly don't. One of Scotland's "gifts" to the world was the setting up of the Ku Klux Klan. Wha's like us, eh?

I'm just tickled by your belief that objecting to some dick-head stealing money somehow amounts to "snobbery".
And I quite liked the reference to "Middle England" that generally conjures up the usual bollocks about leafy glades, lukewarm beer, cricket on the green, Dail Mail delivered everyday, etc, when I actually live in the city that's been officially ranked as the worst place to live in England for the past several years.

There are cunts that earn millions a year. There are cunts that earn fuck all a year. They're both still cunts.

Dazzla spouted:


Nope.

I'm saying that to save the taxpayers' money more effectively, you probably ought to be concentrating on the people pocketing billions rather than the people pocketing thousands.

I've long suspected that this 'Stop the scrounging doley pikey scum!' screeching is more to do with good old-fashioned middle-England vindictive snobbery. This would seem to support that

According to the DSS, benefit cheats cost taxpayers £2 billion each year. That's substantially more than "thousands". And whatever goes on in the business world is a matter for the Government and the due process of the law to deal with. Not members of the public.

Anthill, you should call this number 0800 854 440 and tell them what you saw. These people are scum and deserve everything they get.

According to the DSS, benefit cheats cost taxpayers £2 billion each year.

Which is, coincidentally, exactly the sum given to Virgin rail alone last year.

Of course it's a public matter. It's public money. But of course, Manta, we're long used to your rhetoric justifying one rule for the rich and another for the poor.

totally agree with Wee Dougie. i dont mind paying tax if it helps somebody in need, but there is no way i am working extra hours so somebody else can work less.

Dazzla - i know that big benefits screw people, but that doesnt make it ok for some chav to do so.

That's twice in recent weeks I've found myself in general agreement with Manta. I think I need a doctor.

Yeah

You agree with Manta, and what Manta is saying is "Even though tackling big business would be far more effective, we should pick on the weak because it's easier."

"And for the mighty Rush..." etc...

Dazzla spouted:
what Manta is saying is "Even though tackling big business would be far more effective, we should pick on the weak because it's easier."

Strange. I read it that any law-breaking that companies do is a matter for the authorities to deal with and that wrong-doing by individuals is an entirely separate matter.

If I've misunderstood him then I'm sure he'll put us right.

"And for the mighty Rush..." etc...

Nope, sorry, doesn't mean a thing to me, I'm afraid.

Strange. I read it that any law-breaking that companies do is a matter for the authorities to deal with and that wrong-doing by individuals is an entirely separate matter.


Alright, why?

The temptation is to say "why not?". OK......

Wrong-doing by companies. I believe that where this can be identified it should be dealt with. Are you in agreement so far? If not, are there any particular reasons why?

Wrong-doing by individuals. I also take the view that where this can be identified it should also be dealt with. In agreement on this one? Or do you have objections to this?

I'm of the opinion that my view is consistent.

Yep. Total agreement. So how does that prove that they're separate matters? It would appear from your proposition that they are very similar.

So why is it ok for individuals to intervene and blow the whistle when they see individuals abusing welfare rights, but not when they see companies doing so?

It's obviously the way that I phrased it, so my apologies.
By "separate matters", I meant that the prosecution of individuals or of companies aren't necessarily linked. They should both be dealt with on their own merits.

So why is it ok for individuals to intervene and blow the whistle when they see individuals abusing welfare rights, but not when they see companies doing so?

Again, this must be me getting the wrong end of the stick. I wasn't arguing that individuals shouldn't alert the authorities to any misdeeds that companies get up to. Or at least, I didn't think I was. I don't have a problem with fraud,etc by companies being brought to the attention of the authorities by individuals and the matter being dealt with from there. Sorry for any confusion.

Again, this must be me getting the wrong end of the stick. I wasn't arguing that individuals shouldn't alert the authorities to any misdeeds that companies get up to. Or at least, I didn't think I was. I don't have a problem with fraud,etc by companies being brought to the attention of the authorities by individuals and the matter being dealt with from there. Sorry for any confusion.

i don't think we disagree. The way I interpreted Mata's argument, though, was that there was some unspoken and hidden set of laws that should apply to business and that it was not up to private citizens to question the workings of government and business.

If anyone can supply me with an alternative intepretation (perhaps manta?) I would be very grateful.

lets just say, as an update, his local council are looking into it. he is claiming bens but he mght have admitted and produced a self employed income thingy too.

Personaly i would want to report it,but if it come to the crux of the matter,i wouldn't be arsed too.
one, i think people use and abuse our benifit system to extaordinary lengths(a bloke i know called neil ,has been abusing it sinse i was a sperm).
But it comes down to respect for yourself,if you have no respect you will abuse the system .Whereas if you have got respect you will GET A FUCKING JOB.

most people who are on benefits are living out
a poor existance as it is.

if someone gets a cash in hand job and fiddles a few extra quid i cant say that i blame them

i think more money is fiddled by rich twats on the stock exchange through insider dealing but you never get tv
campaigns to grass those cheating bastards up.

i have worked since i left school
im not on benefits
i pay enough tax

im more concerned with the millions of pounds the stupid goverment waste dropping bombs on women and kids

, the bombs having being bought with my tax,
the stinking goverment are using my tax to murder
innocent people. i would rather that money went into some ones pocket...maybe a single parent with a few kids. so go on your welcome to fiddle back my cash and buy something extra for your family.


oo and cappy plenty of people who are working fiddle and defraud the tax system just as much as people on benefits.
also cappy not everyone can get a job, are you saying you have no respect for anyone one benefits ?
mos of those people are just as decent as you and me.
only not allways as fortunate as us

i stick by what i say and nooo way would i grass anyone up.

Damn straight marleyb. I agree entirely.

Find the people who are swindling billions from the public purse and tackle them, if you're that concerned about your tax going down the drain. If you do that, I'll believe that you're acting to preserve tax pounds for those who need them most. Otherwise it just looks like snobbery and bully-worship.

cappy spouted:
Whereas if you have got respect you will GET A FUCKING JOB.


I started work when i was 15 even after i had my 4 children i worked either evening or night shfts to fit in around my family.
I ahven't worked now since 1997 due to having my erm 14th operation on my knee and still ongoing problems.
I can assure i have respect just dont have a healthy knee to go with it :)

Dazzla, the person Anthill suspects of benefit fraud has his own business, so can hardly be classed as 'poor'. And this is not unusual as it's believed the majority of benefit fraudsters are either capable of work or in employment already. So your presumption that it's only the poor misfortunate among us defrauding the taxpayer is quite wrong and completely misleading. Besides it's a still a crime whether they're living in the streets. They're still criminals and should face the full wrath of the law. Those stealing from taxpayers through such activities do so for their own selfish agenda at the expense of everyone, and yes, that includes the poor: the people you like to champion so much.

And how you thought I was "sticking up for the rich" from what I believed was a very clear statement regarding money given to regulated companies such as Virgin, is a complete mystery to me. My argument is similar to that of Wee Dougie's. It has nothing to do with wealth whatsoever. Any wrongdoings or mismanagement regarding Government funding to businesses is impossible for ordinary members of the public to police. This is the very reason why we have auditors (much to the annoyance of accountants everywhere) to check there's been no fraudulent activity we, the public, are unaware of and too verify the accuracy of accounts.

if its anonymous,why not? if you think he is defrauding the state(hence all of us)...fuck him.

manta. so if someone was homelesss and living on the street and someone offered them a couple of hours work
giving them an extra 20 quid you would grass them up
and class them as criminals if they never declared it ?

the biggest crime is that no one should have to live on the streets.

when the stinking goverment give as much attention to the cheating bastards at the top then maybe i will listen to them when they say grass up some poor unfortunate on benefits.

i wouldnt grass anyone on benefits if they paid me....
typical of all goverments when things are going bad they bring out the "benefits cheats" cheats card....

of course if your an mp or well up the ladder you just buy what you need and put it on your expenses sheet....

ps

i also demand a tv / radio /and poster campaign
telling people on benefits about the millions of pounds that goes unclaimed every year.
maybe some front page headlines in the sun also telling
people what they are being cheated out of....

cheating benifits office and cheating goverment for not giving people everything they are entitled to...

i class that as stealing from the poor..
and i would grass people up who do that for deffinate.

the accusation has gone to his councils fraud investigators via an "anonymous" tip off that was received from the one i work for.

Cunts who cheat from the money we pay to make the NHS and socail security a decent system

And cunts ,those who who run it,who refuse to aknowlege that the unclaimed millions belong to the rightfull owners.

Sorry Marley B ,jemm that you were offended. I happen to believe in the NHS and Social security ,and have used it on various occasions when I have required it. And it their for us all to use .
But lets not abuse it.
Thats all.

but jem you have got a job.

you bring up 4 kids, dam sure i wouldnt want to do that.
it must be hard work.

so you are working 24 / 7 ....

so heres loads of respect to you.....