Following on from ..

[22:14] <UnoChild> up until meeting Cyberhun, i had never heard anyone say luvverly jubberly in real life
[22:15] <Cyberhun> hehe
[22:15] <UnoChild> i had also always thought that Peckham was a fictional place
[22:15] <vines> like thom yorke being a fictional being you mean?
[22:15] <fireboy> as well as nelson mandela house ?
[22:15] <UnoChild> hehe

The point of debate is ..

is ignorance bliss ?

No. If you're determined to stay ignorant you're just waiting to be fucked.

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
- Jack Handey

Some people find ignorance comfortable. They don't understand algebra, computers or any thing that requires more complex operations other than feeding themselves and basic bodily functions. They believe that beefburgers come from Iceland and fish have fingers.

As a true ignoramous, I can definitely say that yes, I am very happy.

Yeah, I think it is bliss. Like believing in urban myths and the kooky origin of popular terms. Nobody actually wants to be ignorant, but then it wouldn't be ignorance if you knew that you didn't know something..... or would it? Would you be ignoring what you know you don't know, hence ignorance....me confused.

Anyway, I'd rather have a jaded, cynical, depressing but accurate view of the world.

Dubbya was in Cleveland today, i was busy, missed him...
http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf?/news/more/ap/03bush10.html

"Defeatist"
"Defeatist"

Shades of Germany, 1936?

Guess it depends what your being ignorant about Ie what you don't know can't hurt you .:)

I am happy in my state... know enough to blag my way throo. :D

I love finding new stuff out, especially if its something no one else seems to know. If nobody knew anything about anything what would we all talk about.

however, according to dictionary.com ignorance = "The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed." and as nobdy knows everything there is to know, don't we all suffer from selective ignorance, and therfore also selective bliss?

Selective ? no, as there are somethings you cannot know, not can you consiciously be aware of them thus seek the desire to know.

So, your saying you know absolutely everthing there is to know, except that which cannot be known and that you also don't know the things that you may need to know about.

So therefore the selectiveness you have is that you don't want to find out the things you don't know and subsequently learn about each one.

Also, if you don't know about something, how do you know its there to be known about. Maybe we know everything already, which is your argument, but if the entire human race took that stance, then we would never progress, most discoveries and new knowledge are not made by accident, but by someone having an idea and then trying to prove it.

Xavier spouted:
Maybe we know everything already, which is your argument, but if the entire human race took that stance, then we would never progress, most discoveries and new knowledge are not made by accident, but by someone having an idea and then trying to prove it.

Don't be silly. No one knows everything !! and this is not what i said :D in fact you largely seem to have repeated me :D Ok i should have qualified it further with the desire to develop and furtherance of knowledge - some of which will be based on the incidentals, some through direct desire and then some just as a matter of course - this is not forgetting that necessity being the mother of all invention ;).

Xavier spouted:
most discoveries and new knowledge are not made by accident, but by someone having an idea and then trying to prove it.

i disagree - a lot is discoverd by accident and i would not discount this at all, but it is not that i do not give credit to those who strive to think to create and to understand afterall, the hardest thing to understand is nothing.