Watching the new slipknot video it struck me, That if you got rid of the masks, the boiler suits, the cunt in the clown mask, the one with the dick nose, nail head fucker and possibly the dude in the gasmask. You would have...

A: A fairly good metal band
and
B: Completely different band (perhaps I didnt think this one out)

What I mean is if you could strip them down to bass , guitras, vocals and drums (joey is amazing)....(gush) they would cut it a lot better with metal and music fans who are dubious to the whole image thing.

what you reckon??

well there was that nearly-acoustic band that a few of the guys are in (side-project, i guess) that sound like really bad redux gurnge. i can't recall the name at the moment.

I (whisper it) like them

wouldnt go out of my way to rave about them, but there's no-one else out there doing what they do and can be pretty fucking brutal at times. And Mick is better than Joey. That hairy fucker can shred!

I try my best to keep slighty in touch with music but "gurnge" is a new one to me!

well they won't let me damn well edit my posts. but you know what i meant.

and what does "slighty" mean?

I`m getting old, they dont play Slipknot on Radio 4

I Can't Stand Them. Theyre Are.... AMAZINGLY POOR! Poor Like No Band Has Been Before.

That Said, I Heard One Of Their New Tracks On The Radio For The First Time A Few Weeks Ago. 'Pulse Of The Maggots'. Incredibly, I Liked It. it's The First Song Of Theirs I've Ever Liked, Even After Listening To Their Previous Albums A Few Times. I Was, Worried, To Say The Least. Could The Band Ive Always Stated My Contempt For Actually Produce A Good Album?

No!

I Heard Another Track A Week Or So Later, I Think It's Their New Single. Anyway, It's Crap. And That's Putting It Politely!

I Had The 'Pleasure' Of Seeing Them Live At Reading Festival Either Last Year Or The Year Before (Can't Remember) Anyway, They Were Just Incredible Joke. Their Set Mostly Consisted Of Joey Shouting 'I Wanna See Your Middle Fingers' And Most Of The Band Climbing On The Drums. Seriously, With 9 Members And Only Limited Things To Play/Sing, Most Of Them Just Seem To Have Time To Kill. Still, To Their Credit, They Got A Lot Of The Croud Going And This Little 13 Year Old Threw A Glass Bottle Which Smashed On This Massive Rugby Playing Type 30 Year Olds Shaved Head. He Proceded To Smash Him Senseless :D

And To Once Again Say My Ever Favourite Slipknot Joke...

How Many Members Of Slipknot Does It Take To Change A Lightbulb???


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1 To Change The Bulb And 3 To Play Drums

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Watching the new slipknot video it struck me, That if you got rid of the masks, the boiler suits, the cunt in the clown mask, the one with the dick nose, nail head fucker and possibly the dude in the gasmask. You would have...

A: A fairly good metal band
and
B: Completely different band (perhaps I didnt think this one out)

What I mean is if you could strip them down to bass , guitras, vocals and drums (joey is amazing)....(gush) they would cut it a lot better with metal and music fans who are dubious to the whole image thing.

what you reckon??

you get rid of clown you have no percussion
get rid of gaskmask guy and you have no decks.

as far as i'm aware, and this is what the american government are doing. stick people in boiler suits and you get rid of their identity. the problem is that the none identiy becomes an identity. but this is not their problem.

what's wrong with the masks? face paint and masks have been in rock and metal music for decades.

you look at alice cooper, kiss, nattefrost, disiplin, the berzerker and basically any other black metal band.

why make such a hoo haa about their image. their not the first and wont be the last.

you take 4 or so members of the band away and you don't have the complexity of the songs.

take iron maiden for example. they wouldn't be able to have the duel guitar sound wihtout having two guitarists. their songs would sound totally different. now they have three guitarists the sound is more complex and in my opinion, all the more better for it.

i've also ordered the new album on pre-order. so am waiting with bated breath.

i quite enjoy slip knots music but its the kind of stuff you dont admit because of the whole skater image they have.

they don't have a skater image.

skater image would be punk bands like NOFX and rancid. the big baggy skater pant wearing crowd with big chains dangling from their trousers.

slipknots pure heavy metal. if i was to think of an image i'd say they cater for the long haired heavey metallers than the skaters.

They're better than some of the newer metal bands. Still prefer the big 4 though.

big four?

metallica
slayer
iron maiden
death angel

What are slayer doing in the big 4? They are amazingly average. Oh, let's hit a double bass drum as hard and as frequently as possible....

Pants!


I saw Machine Head support them and they blew Slayer away - made them seem like a pop idol backing band.


IMO, naturally ;)

Ooopps, and to stay on topic - slipknot are shit!

There are too many other bands out there playing better music but without the gimmicks.

I hear Slipknot over the radio, and like their sound. Since I don't have cable tv, hence no Mtv, no videos, I didn't know about their appearence. Who cares what they look like, if they make good music?

Marilyn Manson, anyone?

Mr. Biscuit spouted:
What are slayer doing in the big 4? They are amazingly average. Oh, let's hit a double bass drum as hard and as frequently as possible....

Pants!


I saw Machine Head support them and they blew Slayer away - made them seem like a pop idol backing band.


IMO, naturally ;)

:O.

slayer....average.....my brain..is...exploding...aaaaarrrggghh

have you never heard 'raining blood'?
'mandatory suicide'
dittohead?

these songs are more than just blast beats. they have brilliant guitar solos and tom araya's base playing is phenomenal.

you don't get to play this music at the top for 20 odd years without talent.

IMO naturally ;) :))

SweetGalenas spouted:
I hear Slipknot over the radio, and like their sound. Since I don't have cable tv, hence no Mtv, no videos, I didn't know about their appearence. Who cares what they look like, if they make good music?

Marilyn Manson, anyone?

their ugly bastards. your better off not seeing them :))

I saw them live at leeds fest a couple of years ago. I spent the entire set pissing myself laughing at them. Seriously, I was rolling on the floor.

A complete and utter fucking joke of a band.. The drummers good though..

Oh yeah, and agreed. Slayer are awesome. Reign In Blood = Best thrash album ever.

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big four?

metallica
slayer
iron maiden
death angel

Not the 4 I had in mind but to each his own.
Metallica
Megadeth
Anthrax
(Insert your own)

Best 4 metal bands ever?

Tool
Metallica
Slayer
Pantera

Megadeth were/are complete pants..

Erm, should Metallica really still be in there?

And Slayer, although not being quite as average as in my previous post, do tend like Metallica to only be in there because of past glories - Divine Interverntion onwrds seems to be going through the motions to me. Although I hang my head in shame - Reign in Blood is in fact subliminal, as is also Seasons in the Abyss (the whole album)

Agree with Tool and Pantera being in there though - what's happened to Pantera? The only peep I've heard from them recently was Phil's dreadful Superjoint Ritual project...

If you want your tastes instantly redefined I suggest you catch a listen to Amplifier's eponymously titled debut album - I am in absolute awe of this it literally makes me jump around the house shouting YES!!!!! It takes my breath away with it's boldness and audacity.

Are we seriously off topic yet?

Ah yes, slipknot - my mate raves about them, he's seen them a couple of times but the whole thing feels a bit too Friday 13th part 34 to me...

I happen to think Metallica - St Anger is fucking amazing. Non stop ferocious and raw. With the exception of Load and Reload, I don't think Metallica have made a bad album. Furthermore, after seeing them live last year.. they proved they are still a force in the metal world. They fucking blew me away.

[back on topic]

Oh yeah.. Slipknott. Complete fucking joke of a band.

Slipknot = GWAR

but Slipknot are clearly better musicians.

I think Metallica lost the plot and had to play catch up. There is no way proper metal should be lo-fi.

Hmmm, Can't say I mind Slipknot. Yes they are commericalised metal whores, but as a band they're not too bad. Good angry music :D

And yes they did completely rip off Gwar, but so did Mushroomhead and Mudvayne, and they arn't half bad.

Topi 5 Metal bands:

WASP
Finntroll
Dimmu Borgir
To Die For
Charon

Kiss also deserve a mention.

pantera are no more.

3 of the band are in another band. forget the name now. and i think they've fallen out with phil

metallica more than deserve to be in the top 4 even though they've gone off on a weird one recently. they might be living on their back catolouge but what a back catalouge.

and why is everyone taking slipknots image to be something serious? they don't take them selves serious. it's an image, like i said, look at alice cooper, kiss, and anyother norweigen death metal band.

i used to like GWAR :(

st anger is a good album but not up there with master and justice. sweet ambers a good song though.

pp: Its just dimebag and vinnie. And the band's called Damageplan.

Apart from Down, fuck knows what Rex is doing. Professional Steve Buscemi lookalike mebbe?

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you get rid of clown you have no percussion
get rid of gaskmask guy and you have no decks.

as far as i'm aware, and this is what the american government are doing. stick people in boiler suits and you get rid of their identity. the problem is that the none identiy becomes an identity. but this is not their problem.

what's wrong with the masks? face paint and masks have been in rock and metal music for decades.

you look at alice cooper, kiss, nattefrost, disiplin, the berzerker and basically any other black metal band.

why make such a hoo haa about their image. their not the first and wont be the last.

you take 4 or so members of the band away and you don't have the complexity of the songs.

take iron maiden for example. they wouldn't be able to have the duel guitar sound wihtout having two guitarists. their songs would sound totally different. now they have three guitarists the sound is more complex and in my opinion, all the more better for it.

i've also ordered the new album on pre-order. so am waiting with bated breath.

As far as I can see the clown only hits a barrel with a bat, a nice sound but hardly percussion. Joey is one of the best drummers about at the moment tight, fast and hard hitting.
The loss of decks would spoil tracks like wait and bleed but doesnt the nailheaded fucker do samples? surely you dont need both?
I wasnt making a hoo haa about image i was trying to point out that stripped down they would be a very good flat out metal band.
(and can I take this moment to say your 80's metal knowledge is stunning)

I never liked Iron maiden way to much going on, I like straight up flatout rawk \m/ :D


Let us know what the albums like asap

Slipknot's masks are OK. No worse than The Beserker who I saw at the Raffles in 02. I suppose they were good. By the time they came on I was too pissed to care.

Re. St. Anger, I like 'Invisible Kid' best. Shades of the old James who was totally fucked up by his parents' 'nothing exists but the mind' cult. The rest sounds too bloody much like an AA meeting.

Pantera were good

corey: vocals
mick: guitar
sid: turntables
shawn: custom percussion
paul: bass
joey: drums
chris: custom percussion
james: guitars
craig: samples/media

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As far as I can see the clown only hits a barrel with a bat, a nice sound but hardly percussion. Joey is one of the best drummers about at the moment tight, fast and hard hitting.
The loss of decks would spoil tracks like wait and bleed but doesnt the nailheaded fucker do samples? surely you dont need both?
I wasnt making a hoo haa about image i was trying to point out that stripped down they would be a very good flat out metal band.
(and can I take this moment to say your 80's metal knowledge is stunning)

I never liked Iron maiden way to much going on, I like straight up flatout rawk \m/ :D


Let us know what the albums like asap

i think if you go to a show you want to see a SHOW.
having a stripped down look is all well and good but you need something extra. somebands just stand there singing. you might as well just buy the album and listen to it on top volume for all the visual stimulation your getting.

the extras in slipknot are just added extras to compliment their aggression and energy. why not? :)
iron maiden has the gigantic eddie that invades the stage as well as bruce running around climbing scaffolding.

i'll be sure to give you my review of the new album when i've got it too. :)

damn. i thought the latest album was good. convinced my self that it was quality. even listened to it 5 times in the first couple of days.

but now...... songs sound rather empty. maybe a shouldn't have listened to it straight after their iowa album. but even then. it's not up to their first album.

I am bit of a fan of Slipknot their first album is great and Iowa is still good although it does have a few shit songs on it. When I first saw Slipknot in Kerrang I just thought they looked like a shitty Gwar but after hearing a few songs the music brought me around.

I should have their new album tomorrow after its delivered from play.com. So I have yet to hear anything apart from their single so far.

I also think Corey's (the singer's) band Stone Sour is also good and the bad Joey Jordison's (the main drummer) band is pretty good. Their cover of white wedding isn't great buit the album is good glam punk/metal.

oh no. iowa has to be the best slipknot album to date. the new album as i've said is good but has no longevity in the music. too one dimensional.

I think the reason that I prefer their first album is because there's 3 songs that I just can't stand. The song Iowa is just boring drivel at 15 minutes long. The version of Gently on the album isn't as good as the old version with the old singer from their Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. E.P. You should be able to download it using your file sharing programme of choice. Skin ticket is a very weak song as far as I'm concerned.

I think the reason that I prefer their first album is because there's 3 songs that I just can't stand. The song Iowa is just boring drivel at 15 minutes long. The version of Gently on the album isn't as good as the old version with the old singer from their Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. E.P. You should be able to download it using your file sharing programme of choice. Skin ticket is a very weak song as far as I'm concerned.

wasn't 'scissors' of the first album i long brooding song as well? as iowa. it's just a continuation

just like all 3 albums have a mini intro to open the album.

Actually Iowa is just a reworking of Killers are Quiet from the Mate. Feed. Kill Repeat. E.P. and I never really liked Scissors but it was the only track i wasn't that fond of on the 1st album. You can download the entire E.P at http://www.mfkr1.com Do Nothing/Bitchslap is the least Slipknot like track on it but its interesting because it's nothing like anything else they've done.

I Once Saw The Murderdolls As A Support Band And I Nearly Died With Laughing At How Poor They Are, Although In All Fairness, Joey Came Out With The Main Band That Night And Played Drums For A Song Or Two, Which Was Pretty Cool Because Dispite Being An Arse, He Is A Pretty Decent Drummer

absolute shite. korn and slipknot. really really really fucking shite. did i mention they ere fucking shite?

slipknot are awesome. their 1st album was f**king HEAVY sh*t against everything around *at that time*. it only went mainstream a year later. that 1st album was amazing - the intensity in corey's voice and screams were brutal & raw, last seen in Sepultura's lead Max. the riffs were dark grooving thundering tsunami's... & the precussion & drums were fantastic; there are many experimental exploration of these sounds on the 1st album; nothing like it at the time.

havent heard their recent stuff. fame sometimes causes bands to reproduce the same sound again & again instead of evolving. i reacon this happened with slipknot. but check out that 1st album - push all that copyist stuff out there that dilutes their distinct sound... and you'll be surprised how creative they are.

if you thought their first album was HEAVY then listen to the second. the first was very melodic in the guitars.

murderdolls is your basic old school rock. perhaps think of kiss or poison. they're not trying to be serious.

anyway all the songs are reworkings of the lead singer, wednesday's, former band

'the frankenstein dragqueens from planet x'.

or something like that.

absolute shite. korn and slipknot. really really really fucking shite. did i mention they ere fucking shite?

I salute you Jedichief. Anyone who is against the deafening plague that is heavy metal, and Slipknot in particular, gets my vote.
THEY ARE PISS POOR!!

me and my mate andy got a bit fucked and various drugs one night. we set up a video camera. we got everything metal we could and piled it in the living room. we then proceeded to shout and scream and bang all the metal. this when watched was far far more entertaining than slipknot. it sounded better too. the only thing missing was i didnt shit on anyone.

anyone who thinks slipknot are good is a great big fucking retard.

jed...

name some albums that were both 1.as heavy 2.as experimental as slipknots 1st album *at that time*.....?

there wont be many (if any).

you dont need to be "soft" or sound like pink floyd/radiohead to be experimental & creative. their precussion on this album was awesome.
im guessing that 1.you probably havent had a decent listen to that 1st album
and/or 2.if you did, did so after they got diluted by bands trying to sound like them. *at the time* they were groundbreaking in the "rawness" and levels of pure creative fucked-upness a band can get to. Some real spine-tingling stuff.

^^^ by the way after the 1st album..they went mainstream- which can always change a band - usually for the worst. i, personally havent listened to any of their other albums. i imagine they are probably writing un-original stuff for the benefit of their record companies. however i can not dent the intensity of that 1st album. blew me away when it came out. was like listeing to Smells Like Teen Spirit for the very 1st time.....

^^^ by the way after the 1st album..they went mainstream- which can always change a band - usually for the worst. i, personally havent listened to any of their other albums. i imagine they are probably writing un-original stuff for the benefit of their record companies. however i can not dent the intensity of that 1st album. blew me away when it came out. was like listeing to Smells Like Teen Spirit for the very 1st time.....
Well according to you Slipknot went mainstream after the first album. Well according to you Slipknot went mainstream. While Iowa went mainstream I don't think you've actually listened to it. Its a heavier more intense album overall. As for the new album there is 2 accoustic tracks on it. While they won't be seen on any rock ballads albums any time soon they are both very good and shows some change to the band which is good.

I liked one of their songs, but I forget which one it is.

lurk...

your right i havent listened to their 2nd album - i never claimed to.

im defending their 1st album against people who think its shit.

as im guessing that these people might be judging their later albums, im just assuming that perhaps Slipknot "went wrong" with success.

but as you would probably know better - perhaps these guys just haven't a clue what they're talking about, and judging the band on singles. plus judging them at a time where they are diluted in a metal scene of all the bands that were inpired by them (thus sound like them).

lurk...

your right i havent listened to their 2nd album - i never claimed to.

im defending their 1st album against people who think its shit.

as im guessing that these people might be judging their later albums, im just assuming that perhaps Slipknot "went wrong" with success.

but as you would probably know better - perhaps these guys just haven't a clue what they're talking about, and judging the band on singles. plus judging them at a time where they are diluted in a metal scene of all the bands that were inpired by them (thus sound like them).
I would like to know what bands are there that you believe were influenced and in your own words sound like Slipknot? I can't say I've heard any bands who I would say were influenced by them especially since they have only been in the mainstream for 4 years. There 1st album was released in 2000. Mushroom Head have been going just as long as Slipknot and Mudvayne's first album was actually produced by Shawn Crahan (the clown). Since they are 2 bands that people say are influenced by Slipknot but don't really sound anything like them.

okay i guess what i mean is slipknot got diluted in bands trying to do the whole "nu-metal" sound. Even though others don't sound *exactly* like slipknot........when slipknot 1st came out NO ONE sounded like them. now the whole metal scene has a similar "feel" and is heavy in a similar "style".
they're not as red as they used be when we have so many varying shades of orange about. To someone not thinking that deeply (ie. most people) they will notice this explosion of orange that fills every mag and invades every music tv channel.....and assume that Slipknot's red sounds just like these guys. Slipknot no longer "seems" like they're original at a glance; thus i use the term "dilute". you're right. mushroom head have indeed been going the same amount of time. and Disturbed have yet another take & are pretty original.

me and my mate andy got a bit fucked and various drugs one night. we set up a video camera. we got everything metal we could and piled it in the living room. we then proceeded to shout and scream and bang all the metal. this when watched was far far more entertaining than slipknot. it sounded better too. the only thing missing was i didnt shit on anyone.

anyone who thinks slipknot are good is a great big fucking retard.


ok whos the cunt that edited my post??

and as far as the comment that slipknot are experimental goes....

maybe. however one night while drunk i got a bit experimental and had some chocolate milk and vodka. just cause it was experimental doesnt mean it was a good idea.

mental is a far better description. these shit, piss and vomit on each other for fuck sake.

lurk...

your right i havent listened to their 2nd album - i never claimed to.

im defending their 1st album against people who think its shit.

as im guessing that these people might be judging their later albums, im just assuming that perhaps Slipknot "went wrong" with success.

but as you would probably know better - perhaps these guys just haven't a clue what they're talking about, and judging the band on singles. plus judging them at a time where they are diluted in a metal scene of all the bands that were inpired by them (thus sound like them).

i dont think it was shit. i know it was.

in this world there are universal truths. the sun rises in the morning. it goes down at night. people die. slipknot are shit. see?? its common sense :)

and went wrong with success?? if you are under the impression they were ever "right" then i despair.

mental is a far better description. these shit, piss and vomit on each other for fuck sake.
Have you ever seen any pictures or video of said acts? Or are you just quoting some bollocks that was printed in the Sun a few years back?

they're not as red as they used be when we have so many varying shades of orange about. To someone not thinking that deeply (ie. most people) they will notice this explosion of orange that fills every mag and invades every music tv channel.....and assume that Slipknot's red sounds just like these guys.
What in the shitting fuck is that supposed to mean.

lets get this right. mushroom head and mudvayne where only said to be influenced by slipknot in terms of their masks and face paint not musically as far as i'm aware.

to sound musically like slipknot you would have to have at least 8 people on stage as well.

slipknot did not get mainstreem after the first album. they got heaveir and more extreme. blast beats were flying in the second album. the first was more accepted in the media because it was more melodic.

as for orange and red. i suppose he's saying that just because it looks like red doesn't mean it is.

What in the shitting fuck is that supposed to mean.

a very good question. and as for the pics you ask about, yes. back then there were pics of such acts and i read an interview with them in which they said themselves the masks had to be made new every so often as stomach acid over time melted the insides of them. that and got pretty rancid pretty quick.

lurk...

it a f**king metaphor!

"they're not as red as they used be when we have so many varying shades of orange about. To someone not thinking that deeply (ie. most people) they will notice this explosion of orange that fills every mag and invades every music tv channel.....and assume that Slipknot's red sounds just like these guys."

slipknot's once distinctive sound - "red"
bands attempting to be nu-metal & heavy - "orange" - there are many of these ie. many shades of orange.

red stick out like a sore thumb against blue, but not as much against orange. pretty simple stuff. im glad you like slipknot...but please dont be another one of those cliched S fans with 2 f**king braincells... i might actually go mad
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jed... unpleasent i know.........but so what?? so these guys like to have fun in an mtv "jackass", "dirty sanchez" type of way - so what? it's actually pretty entertaining... plus telling your mates..."....yeah, and then he like pissed in the other guys mouth" : the reaction is "ugh!"...but it's also "cooool!!" because its entertaining and different (we dont all piss on each other).

at the end of the day - this has fuck all to do with the music, am i right?

well you need to work on your use of the language because as far as metophorical speach goes that was poor.

and the music can hardly be called that. also songs require singing usually. not some twat screaming. the last time i heard anything like slipknot my mate chris had just jammed his fingers in the car door.

i'm not gonna argue this with you as i'll no doubt get into trouble as my opinion of you, your musical tastes and your sanity are plummeting like a fucking meteor.

jedi... your opinion of "me"?? you dont even know me mate. plus this is a random message board - i have no idea who posts, or how old everyone is.
if i was in a university lecture....perhaps i would consentrate on my wording a bit more; i apologize, i'll try harder. but judge my opinion - not me as a person. and my tastes? im writing in a forum for slipknot, doesnt mean thats all i listen to; or thats the only genre i listen to.

and the music can hardly be called that. also songs require singing usually. not some twat screaming. the last time i heard anything like slipknot my mate chris had just jammed his fingers in the car door.

Well I take you have never heard Slipknot are or confusing them with another band. Corey from Slipknot can sing and he does inbetween screaming. While there are bands that the singers just screams near nonsenical bollocks Slipknot isn't one of them. As for the music you obviously aren't a heavy metal fan in the first place. Therefore if you aren't a fan of that genre you aren't going to like the bands that are part of that genre. So what you are doing is making sweeping generalisations about something you have little knowledge of.

(oh im an Art student - not sure if that helps?)

the screaming thing...

okay, there's a scream and then there's a ~scream!~.

Corey's scream is unlike no other. If you recall the intensity you first heard in Max Cavalera's roar (sepultura/soulfly).....it's f**king amazing. when you know his background - you'll know how "real" these screams are; someone pouring their heart out. a scream is a f**king primitive thing - just because something is "melodic" doesn't mean it's "emotional". Corey's scream is v.emotional - he gives it all he's got. try screaming...not once, but keep it up through a whole song, in fact a whole set of songs. it pretty damn hard. the only way it can be achieved is if you're really "feeling" it. his vocals sound more intense, harsh & f**ked up than most bands with a screaming front man. my opinion soley relates to their 1st album. i havent heard their new stuff.

thankyou lurk. well said.

just skimmed over a topic started by "butchspangly" (end of music topics list)
on "music and mood"; spawned some interesting thoughts.......

people are usually drawn to styles & genres of music that reflect their
mood and attitude. the reason i rate Corey's screaming so high plus love the loud heavy f**ked up sound of the music... is because i identify with it... and him. I was feeling those emotions which drew them to me. they were my outlet. i released all that was pent up.. through them, by proxy. i used to hate travis and the like - probably because i couldn't identify with the "niceness" of the emotions they embodied.

now im happier, and seldom listen to slipknot - im never in the mood to. but i have a lot of respect for them.

in some ways, jedi, the fact you hate music like this is kind of a good thing - perhaps you're happier? but this is still GREAT music. you should respect it.
Slipknot's *aim* was to capture these types of negative emotions - and they have been sucessful in doing this, i think you'll agree. it sounds bad. it sounds heavy. it sounds well f**ked up. like you pointed out - they shit/puke/piss over each other - emphasizing the emotions they are harnessing. Travis are sucessful in capturing that middle-class "life is bliss" emotional state - so i have to respect them for that. i dont like Travis - but i respect them.

and the music can hardly be called that. also songs require singing usually. not some twat screaming. the last time i heard anything like slipknot my mate chris had just jammed his fingers in the car door.



last time i heard someone singing like anastacia i was watching vic reeves singing in the club style. ;)

lol! you saw that too??

you've got to laugh don't you. things just aren't that important. :))

Got a copy of the new album this morning!
Will blast it out when I get home and get back to you

nice1 - good to have some *current* discussion

get ready to be disappointed team edna :( i was. not bad i suppose. compared to some of the crap out there. but why have shit when you could have coq au vin.

I like Slipknots new album the acoustic tracks are a nice departure from the norm for them. This goes along with the heavy tracks you would expect form them my favourites being 3 nil, Before I forget and Duality.

the first few songs are top notch. it goes down hill in the middle then picks up for pulse of the maggots. i just think 4-5 good songs aren't enough. the acoustic songs are good but surely should be under the guise of stone sour. not slipknot.